Wearing a mask if you’re working now?
04-28-2020, 09:30 AM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
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04-28-2020, 03:04 PM
#66
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Stay safe (in your parents basement) shelter boy. It’s easy to be Super Safety Man when you’re not having to pay your wife, kids, and dog shelter/food bills. How’s one to afford Safety measures if he has no job to provide the monies to buy said safety measures? Everyone is getting this virus in one form/severity or another. Sorry, I’m not going broke doing the impossible task of PROTECTING others based on supposed transmission theories. Plus you look like an idiot wearing your mask. My dog wants to bite the mask off your face, and my 8 year old(again) wants to kick you.
You must know him.
04-28-2020, 04:10 PM
#67
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There's so much to unpack with this man. I've spent a lot of time here hanging out at home getting over the virus on these forums with more time to kill than I know what to do with. I'm 28. I have no pre-existing conditions at all. I used to run 3+ times a week at a minimum of 5k each time. I workout probably 5 times a week. I got the virus and got my butt kicked by the virus. I ended up in the hospital having a hard time breathing man. To make a blanket statement that if you're young this won't affect you just isn't true. Somehow I developed pneumonia from it which was the root of a lot of my problems. I stayed at home on my days off and never left hotels on my overnights for the month leading up to me getting sick. Getting a big dose like some have said in my eyes is completely at random. Maybe my body sucks at fighting infections, however I'm rarely sick with anything worse than a common cold during the change of the seasons.
In regards to being immune I dont even think that is true. I'm pretty much recovered from it now, but it took about a month for me to be back to semi-normal. I recently got called by the state and city health department along with my primary doctor when I was in the hospital who is an epidemiologist who all said that there is potential I catch the virus again. There are a lot of factors that play into this obviously, but to say I'm immune for the time being just isn't true, yet. Hopefully with more studies this proves true because that absolutely sucked and I don't want to do all that again. Doesn't herd immunity take like 70% of the population to recover before that happens? Right now we're at like less than 2% of the total US population has been infected.
After going through that *******, to hear someone on here say they should catch the virus is just ridiculous. I wouldn't wish what I went through on anyone. It sucked. Period. It was way worse than the flu, which I had back in my pre-teens. The pain and inability to breathe isn't normal and isn't 'just the flu.' The constant aches/pain which were worse than any of my bone breaks ranging from shoulder, hand, fingers, shoulder, back, ribs, nose, or knee. I've never been in so much agony trying to sleep all night only to be tossing and turning for quite literally days on end not sleeping. It's no wonder I lost almost 20 LBs in 16ish days. Recommending someone go through that just because they are young and healthy, like I was, just makes you look incredibly ill-informed.
In regards to being immune I dont even think that is true. I'm pretty much recovered from it now, but it took about a month for me to be back to semi-normal. I recently got called by the state and city health department along with my primary doctor when I was in the hospital who is an epidemiologist who all said that there is potential I catch the virus again. There are a lot of factors that play into this obviously, but to say I'm immune for the time being just isn't true, yet. Hopefully with more studies this proves true because that absolutely sucked and I don't want to do all that again. Doesn't herd immunity take like 70% of the population to recover before that happens? Right now we're at like less than 2% of the total US population has been infected.
After going through that *******, to hear someone on here say they should catch the virus is just ridiculous. I wouldn't wish what I went through on anyone. It sucked. Period. It was way worse than the flu, which I had back in my pre-teens. The pain and inability to breathe isn't normal and isn't 'just the flu.' The constant aches/pain which were worse than any of my bone breaks ranging from shoulder, hand, fingers, shoulder, back, ribs, nose, or knee. I've never been in so much agony trying to sleep all night only to be tossing and turning for quite literally days on end not sleeping. It's no wonder I lost almost 20 LBs in 16ish days. Recommending someone go through that just because they are young and healthy, like I was, just makes you look incredibly ill-informed.
some excerpts:
A high infectious dose may lead to a higher viral load, which can impact the severity of Covid-19 symptoms.
Viral load is a measure of virus particles. It is the amount of virus present once a person has been infected and the virus has had time to replicate in their cells. With most viruses, higher viral loads are associated with worse outcomes.“The more viral particles that get into the lungs, the more damage to the lungs that is probably happening,” said Hardy.People with higher viral loads may also shed more whole viruses, which makes them more contagious, compounding the danger of spreading disease more widely.
If exposure to higher doses, or even frequent low doses, of SARS-CoV-2 does lead to worse health outcomes, there are significant implications for health care workers who are routinely exposed to Covid-19 patients.
“Someone caring for large numbers of patients on the wards, if they’re not wearing PPE [personal protective equipment], there might be a high frequency of exposure as well as a high dose of exposure,” Barouch said.
In Italy, a country particularly hard-hit by the virus, about 9% of reported cases were health care workers. Here in the U.S., 10% of Covid-19 cases in California were health care workers, according to the California Department of Public Health.
Viral load is a measure of virus particles. It is the amount of virus present once a person has been infected and the virus has had time to replicate in their cells. With most viruses, higher viral loads are associated with worse outcomes.“The more viral particles that get into the lungs, the more damage to the lungs that is probably happening,” said Hardy.People with higher viral loads may also shed more whole viruses, which makes them more contagious, compounding the danger of spreading disease more widely.
If exposure to higher doses, or even frequent low doses, of SARS-CoV-2 does lead to worse health outcomes, there are significant implications for health care workers who are routinely exposed to Covid-19 patients.
“Someone caring for large numbers of patients on the wards, if they’re not wearing PPE [personal protective equipment], there might be a high frequency of exposure as well as a high dose of exposure,” Barouch said.
In Italy, a country particularly hard-hit by the virus, about 9% of reported cases were health care workers. Here in the U.S., 10% of Covid-19 cases in California were health care workers, according to the California Department of Public Health.
more excepts:
Epidemiology. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2016 Sep 1.
Published in final edited form as:
Epidemiology. 2015 Sep; 26(5): 666–669.
doi: 10.1097/EDE.0000000000000339
PMCID: PMC4889459
NIHMSID: NIHMS788747
PMID: 26133021
The incubation period is thought to be a function of the initial infective dose, the speed of replication of the pathogen within the host, and within-host defense mechanisms.1 Few previous studies have investigated the hypothesis that the incubation period might be correlated with the severity of disease, although some studies have examined the correlation between infecting dose and severity of disease.8,9 Here, we analyze the association between the length of the incubation period and the severity of SARS using data from the 2003 outbreak in Hong Kong.
Ours is the first study that examines the association between the incubation period and the severity of SARS in the literature to date. It is unlikely that a shorter incubation period itself is the cause of greater severity, but our results indicate that it could be a marker of underlying biological processes that led to greater severity. A shorter incubation period could be indicative of a higher infective dose, leading to faster/greater pathogen replication, out-running adaptive immune responses or leading to a more aggressive and damaging inflammatory response, and thus leading to more severe disease.
Published in final edited form as:
Epidemiology. 2015 Sep; 26(5): 666–669.
doi: 10.1097/EDE.0000000000000339
PMCID: PMC4889459
NIHMSID: NIHMS788747
PMID: 26133021
Incubation Period Duration and Severity of Clinical Disease Following Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection
Methods
We estimated the association between the length of the incubation period and the severity of infection with the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, using data from the epidemic in 2003 in Hong Kong.Results
We estimated the incubation period of SARS based on a subset of patients with available data on exposure periods and a separate subset of patients in a putative common source outbreak, and we found significant associations between shorter incubation period and greater severity in both groups after adjusting for potential confounders.Conclusions
Our findings suggest that patients with a shorter incubation period proceeded to have more severe disease.The incubation period of an infectious disease is the time from infection to onset of disease. Estimation of the incubation period of a novel pathogen can be vital for prevention and control, for example in order to determine appropriate duration of quarantine or observation of exposed persons.1 In 2002–03, there was an epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) caused by a novel coronavirus with more than 8,000 cases worldwide, mainly in Asia. The mean incubation period was rapidly estimated during the outbreak to be around 6.4 days,2 and subsequent studies estimated a slightly shorter mean incubation period of around 4.0–5.3 days.3–6Estimation of the incubation period of a pathogen such as the SARS coronavirus can be complicated because infection events cannot be directly observed and exposure data are consequently interval-censored.7The incubation period is thought to be a function of the initial infective dose, the speed of replication of the pathogen within the host, and within-host defense mechanisms.1 Few previous studies have investigated the hypothesis that the incubation period might be correlated with the severity of disease, although some studies have examined the correlation between infecting dose and severity of disease.8,9 Here, we analyze the association between the length of the incubation period and the severity of SARS using data from the 2003 outbreak in Hong Kong.
Ours is the first study that examines the association between the incubation period and the severity of SARS in the literature to date. It is unlikely that a shorter incubation period itself is the cause of greater severity, but our results indicate that it could be a marker of underlying biological processes that led to greater severity. A shorter incubation period could be indicative of a higher infective dose, leading to faster/greater pathogen replication, out-running adaptive immune responses or leading to a more aggressive and damaging inflammatory response, and thus leading to more severe disease.
IF you really did have coronavirus and had a hard time of it you have my sympathy. That doesn’t change the science one damn bit though. The issues in preventive medicine are not about one anecdotal experience because anecdotal experiences of any single individual are INHERENTLY individual and don’t necessarily represent the general rule. Preventive medicine policies are about what is best for SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.
So why don’t you do a little actual research and confirm or refute the verity of what I say rather than calling valid science (or me) ridiculous because YOU may or may not have had a severe case.
There ARE NO risk free options. We have 1.6 million new cancers discovered annually in this country with only about 600,000 cancer deaths. That’s because we can SAVE about a million people from cancer with early detection.
Well guess what? Almost no Pap smears or mammograms or colonoscopies or other cancer diagnostic tests for early detection have been done the last two months. Do you think those cancers just magically disappeared? Well they didn’t, they became more advanced.
So we already have over 200,000 people with cancer whose detection as now been delayed. Some of those people will die because of that delay. Others will require more radical surgery than they would have with earlier detection or more intensive chemotherapy and radiation treatment.
Tell them that the virus kicked your butt for a month and see how much sympathy they give you as they go through chemotherapy or radiation or simply die if metastatic disease.
Last edited by Excargodog; 04-28-2020 at 04:25 PM.
04-28-2020, 05:59 PM
#68
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 51
If I get what I think is the corona virus I’m going to be like the guy on the Walking Dead hiding my bite. You’ve got to be crazy to tell the authorities you’ve got covid19. You’ll now and forever more have Sauron pointed directly at your house. If everyone gets it but has no symptoms except you, maybe they’ll throw up an E.T. contraption around your home for further testing.
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