Have you been talking to my parents...... Cuz I heard a suspiciously similar story when I was a kid...

How dare you perform your own analysis, compare cost/ benefit, and make the best decision for you and yours.

Your overlords require compliance. You're free to have your own opinion, as long as it agrees with edict.

Plane Coffee

How dare you allow somebody to have their own opinion. I for one, check Facebook and cable news in the morning to see what I should be thinking each day. I find that causes much less anxiety on my part and I'm able to function in society a little easier. Those days I think for myself result in nothing but gray hair and a devastated liver

Also fume events are not a real thing and it’s safe to run the packs off a pneumatic start cart.

CDC guidance on surfaces didn’t really change- used to be “not as likely,” then more recently “less likely...” A tiny language change that doesn’t really amount to much.

As for the mask guidance- if the idea were to protect the wearer, I’d agree. That’s not the case. The virus lives in respiratory droplets- and just about any kind of face covering can limit the travel of your spit....

The mask guidance is trash. I find duct tape to be 100% effective...it saves lives and has the added benefit of not having to listen to annoying people.

Certainly there is lots left to interpretation. I think the science is pretty much saying that unless it’s an N95 mask that is properly fitted, wearing cloth masks provides very little protection for anyone.

https://www.livescience.com/are-face...us-spread.html

All surgeries should be done without surgical masks, since it doesn’t do anything.

Except for the hospital grade, operating room hepa filter systems that are in place to protect from viruses while operating. Any other bright ideas?

There is substantial evidence that wearing cloth masks will slow the spread, as it prevents people from getting yours, or you getting it from others.

We are seeing a rapid increase in cases in non mask wearing states.

If you're selfish enough to be the a part of reason for another lock down, by deciding that a mask is some form of oppression, not required "BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PROTECT ME!" Then I got nothing. You'll be the reason that we all get furloughed.

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspa.2020.0376
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...142-9/fulltext

Seriously? You are b|t€hing about...
 

... a CLOTH mask?

https://i.ibb.co/0mB1m4V/8495466-D-5...FA77813-D3.jpg

Nope... Not cloth

<laughs in M17>

https://www.oocities.org/gasmasknl/M17check.JPG

There it is! Great work!

Plane Coffee

Look, don’t take this the wrong way but.....I love you.

There is an increase because there is more testing.
i know, we can just turn it into a BLM protest then we can choose to wear a mask or not.
Also, you aren’t a real airline pilot until you experience a furlough or bankruptcy. 😂

You are right, partially. There is an increase of cases due to testing, that is fact. The increase in hospitalization and ICU beds is the more concerning part and is predominately happening in states that refuse to wear masks.

Hawaii went back to stay at home half lock if you will due to a recent parade and had a rather quick spike from a flat 0 cases for awhile to an average of 9 or 10 daily. Not outrageous but it only takes one fool to give the rest of us fools the invisible enemy and probably unknowingly as a “carrier” model so many hotels remain closed while everything was slowly coming alive. Not many people were walking around but all that I saw had a mask on or keeping their chin from falling off. Maybe we can have our spikes now and not during the fall.

Mask aversion is pathetic. The military pics earlier gives perspective and brings back memories. 2nd Amendment is strong within me, but if you consider this oppression cross into some other 3rd world country and get a clue - buck up. If this were some crazy airborne flesh eating disease and the gov officials were wearing full bubble gear, you would be screaming for yours too. Hawaii says wear your mask for now, I wear my mask. Australia says just stay 6ft away no masks seen here, got it, Korea says do both, you betcha. If in country somewhere or stateside and I see some masks I wear mine out of respect (regardless of effectiveness arguments) which has been lost like many older folks, etc. I wear a CPAP, you have got to be kidding. If you feel oppressed this is what is wrong with our country. Intestinal fortitude erosion.

Not to be a doubting Thomas, but I really don’t see much of a spike in COVID related ICU utilization.

https://i.ibb.co/YWTvc3b/717-C0-B1-E...39-E07-F09.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/yyLsRZm/3-F58-E557-...8-A55-E152.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/KjKVnrN/B9-C8270-C-...13-FAE8-BB.jpg

So what you're saying is Hawaii failed and continues to fail? Are they willing to see the error of their ways; or just wash/ rinse/ repeat?

You know the answer.

Plane Coffee

I love you too;)

what a joke this post is. That’s like saying using an umbrella to walk through the rain is “just another dumb ineffective measure” because your shoes and legs might still get wet. If you don’t think that people walking around with a mask over their face/mouth that catches a massive percentage of their exhaled spit, while effectively discouraging/preventing them from touching their face, Does nothing to slow the spread of a respiratory virus, maybe you should go back to grade school and learn some common sense. I can guarantee you’d want a mask on your (and their) face if you were in an elevator with a covid19 positive individual.

Or perhaps you’ve just decided wearing a
Mask is “liberal” and “everything libs do is bad” so you feel the need to trash talk people wearing masks in an attempt to slow the spread of a virus that is threatening your own career. God forbid you wear a mask for a couple months when you walk around Walmart so we can save someone’s grandma and get these virus numbers down so people start to fly again. No one is trying to steal your rights, we just don’t want you and 50M other people walking around potentially spreading a virus. What a massive inconvenience it must be:rolleyes:

false equivalency.

The purpose of face masks in the OR is both to prevent the passage of germs from the staffs noses and mouths into the patient's wound and to protect the surgeons mouth and nose from sprays and splashes from the patient. That could be anything. Even food particles from scarfing down lunch or in the case of one particular surgeon I used to work with..... chewing tobacco.

Face masks are also thought to make wound infections after surgery less likely.

surgical masks are not sterile and not incorporated into the sterile field.

How about a COVID party. Like kids and chicken pox. All healthy individuals have a massive party where we all cough on each other and purposely get it. Maybe a few good kisses from randos. Then lockdown for 2 weeks and the old or comprised immune people lockdown in a separate area. Then herd immunity and we can all be done with this.
Not very practical but in some ways I think let's just get this thing and get it over with.

Liberal outrage checks.

Plane Coffee

I like this idea!

That can’t be true. I’ve been told on APC that face masks do nothing. Are you saying they only work in the confines of an OR? 😁

Also, my wife wonders if you’ve informed her hospital about not wearing surgical masks during sterile surgeries. Because they haven’t told her that yet.

did you quote the wrong person? I didn’t say ANY of what you just said. No masks in the OR?! I just made an entire post arguing in their favor.

I was posting to back YOU up..... in that even the dinky non sterile masks in surgery serve a purpose....I gathered that your post was sarcasm and I was lining out why even the non N95 masks are still good for some things. Maybe not for combatting a virus directly but certainly other applications (like the OR).



my goodness.

Isn't the latest working theory from scientists that immunity only lasts 6 to 8 months? Anyway, in the interest of avoiding negative PR, would the company consider firing employees failing to comply with mask policy? All it takes is a phone, a woke individual, and a slow news day to create a mess for the airline.

Jumping to conclusions is fun.

Plane Coffee

Nope, not a saying it’s liberal at all. Just that there is a false sense of security in many by wearing a mask. I personally wouldn’t take an elevator that is full, never have, never will. I prefer the stairs. I also wash my hands after using the bathroom. I observe a vast amount of people in airport bathrooms that do not wash their hands. Same people going to buffets. I also don’t stand in people’s personal space when dealing with them. I think there is a time and a place for a mask. I don’t think wearing one on a walk around is realistic, I also don’t think wearing one in the airplane does much to help when you fly around on a full flight.
We are talking about a virus that as we get more data on, is less than 1% mortality rate. Still, the data is very questionable since many deaths are not being reported the correct way.
What makes more sense to me is protecting the people who are at risk, not shutting down the whole economy to protect the few. If you have been to work, or demonstrating your BLM rights, it may not be a bright idea to go see grandma in the nursing home or take a chance with someone who is compromised.
So if it makes you feel better to wear a mask when you are walking around by yourself or driving your car, or going for a walk, go for it. I use one when I go to the grocery store out of respect for the older folks who work there, but I also practice everything else I always have and in my 50 years, I’ve never been in the hospital, or contracted the flu. The only things I’ve had were hangovers and food poisoning from crappy layover food.
Like I said, if it’s not an N95 mask, it’s about useless.

Put your money where your mouth is and post some links to peer reviewed studies about masks being completely useless. Sure a N95 mask is much more effective, but calling other masks useless is absurd

Again?

Plane Coffee

Signing all of your comments with Plane Coffee must be even more fun

Plane Tampons

I'm guessing its automatic

I have nothing against the guy but him signing all his posts like that makes me envision him as a 64 year old guy typing that on his windows 98 desktop. Automatically makes it impossible to take anything he types seriously

Whoa hold up...people take APC seriously??

Only when it comes to signatures apparently. Time to get mad about avatars, "position" and usernames.

My stupid avatar won't upload for what it's worth

i dont even know how to post images on here.

Plane rumors

(^^^^this is my new signature)