Pretty sure it’s snail mail.


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I got the same junk mail twice lol. Its going to be like the boy who cried wolf. Guess i have to check back here in a week to know how deep it goes. My union emails always get buried in a sea of junk

Our MEC has been projecting negativity and emitting the "doom and gloom" scenario since the inception of this whole debacle. Some say, "they just want to prepare us for the worst and hope for the best", or "they just want to make sure people's finances are in order". We are adults. If people's personal finances are not in order, especially during a time such as this, that is a problem inherent to the individual, not of concern to the rest of the pilot group, nor the MEC.

Our union should to be concerned with our CBA and making sure both us and the company abide by it; nothing more, nothing less. That is the capacity of their existence. They are not financial advisers or CPAs. I personally would appreciate it if they would stay in their lane and concern themselves with protecting our CBA. We are all inundated, around the clock, with the 'doom and gloom' of the SCAMdemic and do not need more negativity, presumptuous at that, coming to us from them.

Exactly. This is why, in my opinion, nothing will happen until after Jan 1. Keeping extra pilots for 2 more months is not even close to what’s going to decide whether this place survives or not (assuming absolute worst case scenario). It just isn’t.

Anyhow, think about this. When this mess first started it was BAD. The first two Townhalls and emails were BAD. “No idea when demand is going to return” etc.

Then the third (maybe fourth) email or TH there was the “a glimmer of hope of demand returning” and then BOOM (seemingly out of nowhere) they announce June 200-300 a day and July were flying 550 a day.

I think if you were to ask, and get an honest answer, TC and Co. would have told you your crazy if you told them we would fly the schedule we did in June/July. I think it came back faster than they truly expected.

Now depending on who you talk to and what numbers they used, we essentially broke even in June flying 300 a day or so. That is very good for us going forward.

Given how fast things came back in June/July, I don’t see them changing staffing until after the
holidays. I think they want to really really really be ready to take advantage of those 6 weeks. By then most (I have to think) International destinations (def money makers) will be back open as well.

If the holidays suck, there is a “second wave” or the “first wave” right now is still going on, then yeah I think we will see some happening. Who knows. Time will tell. It sucks waiting, but that’s all we can do.

So what happens this winter when a vaccine comes out and suddenly the media is streaming “no more COVID, life returning to normal,” 24/7

I am thinking they intended to furlough before then since they are sending out the warn letters now. Also the email states they are sending them out based on the "worst case scenario," so we will see in the next week or so what that means.

If the company doesn’t agree to some form of long term VIL program for furlough mitigation before the warn letters then I’m putting on my tin foil hat and saying they are using a shotgun warn letter approach for concessionary negotiations.

I agree with that, they are definitely coming for concessions. But I also don't see them having much need to offer long term VIL lines. Being a one type fleet is good and bad, here is the bad because it's easier and cheaper to furlough as there are not big displacement bids to shuffle pilots to other types. SWA only did extended paid time off to try and keep their reputation of never furloughing, we have no such warm feelings and reputation to uphold so I suspect there won't be long term VIL lines offered, but that's just my guess.

From an MEC guy here...

“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”

except when things eventually turn around they can use it as a recruitment tool.