I suspect that the $100M number being bandied about will be the losses realized when payroll support goes away.

They said in the conference call that Q3 burn would be back to 3-4 million daily. $3.5 million x 30 is $105 million/month..

I don’t know why those costs would go up before the payroll support was expended. Starting in October at the end of Q3 makes sense.

They have no clue what revenue is going to be accurately forecast losses going forward so I don’t know how they can even speculate. This thing is a moving target.

I just know I’m trying to give our guests the best experience possible so they tell their friends that flying is no problem.

My planes are never hot and that includes deplaning. I’m looking at you, guys that select GPU and leave for the day.

Friendly announcements without overdoing it.

Stamping down negativity in the FA ranks so they will hopefully pass along friendliness to the guests.

Little things go a long way

Also the FAs have to wear their masks all day and I fully expect any FA, mechanic, or gate agent to have theirs on when they come talk to us. That said put your dang mask on when the door is open!!! I also ask the other pilot if I wish to remove it after push.

Do your FA’s a favor and see if they want to rotate through flight deck potty duty to maybe get a 3 min break from the mask while the door is closed.

sorry man that defeats the purpose. The FAs have so much contact with people and many or most of them are single that don’t have kids or a family keeping them home at night. Last thing I want is to be next to a FA without a mask. I afford them the same courtesy. If people are telling them it’s ok to remove the mask that explains why some take it off when they come up and why some pilots are taking it off when the FAs come up for lav breaks.

Im not scared of the virus and have accepted that I will either get it and never know it, get it and self quarantine or a vaccine will come along.

They all wear their masks until I offer for them to take it off. Most gratefully do. I don’t really care about their contact with the public. I walk through the airport, do DH’s and shop at home too. Contact with them is a rounding error compared to my contact with who knows how many people away from work. Unlike the unknowns I know I’m in a well ventilated space with fresh air and hepa filters when I’m talking to the cabin crew. YMMV.

Honestly, for most people trying to avoid the rona is a lot like shooting a BB gun at a freight train at this point. Obviously be smart about it, but going to all of these crazy extremes just to avoid letting your immune system do its job while you sit at home on the company dime is a bit mesmerizing to me. Ask yourself not what the mask can do to protect you or others, but what can you do to fortify your body to be a lean, mean virus fighting machine.

I agree. I wear the mask inside public buildings and when required to at work. I’ve only seen my parents once since March. I wash my hands social distance and try to be generally smart, but having a three minute conversation with a mask-less FA standing 5 feet away in a well ventilated space with fresh air and filters? Sorry. That’s not going to freak me out.

Turn off pack 1, and have a 30 minute face to face. Ok. That’s tempting fate a bit. But short of accidentally licking each other the odds are low, and it’s my understanding that the Tabasco crew is out of business.

And even then, I have a 1 in 3000 chance of dying if I catch this thing and something like a 99.8% chance that I never know that I have it at all.

I don’t care care that they interact with a lot of people each day. I go to Lowe’s, Home Depot and Central Market with just as many masked people. But Oh noes. It’s that airplane cabin that’s cleaned a ton more than those three chains, has its air exchanged every 3 minutes and has Hepa filters cleaning high altitude air that I have to worry about.

And I haven’t flown with anyone yet who doesn’t ditch the mask just as soon as the door closes.

I know for a fact that I (and just about everybody) release drops when I talk, I sometimes see the little droplets gleaming in the bright Airbus sun.

When the FA comes into the cockpit, they are standing directly behind you, elevated, and talking in your direction. In other words, spitting down right on you. I wear my mask while they're up there, I politely ask them to keep theirs on too, and explain this if needed. So far I haven't been called any names (to my face) but wouldn't care if they did.

Common sense and treating your coworkers like human beings really does go a long way. We've all been dehumanized enough as it is with the mask mandates and required social distancing. I am not so much concerned about myself or others wearing the mask, but I am very much concerned with what I physically consume and my overall level of fitness.

What do you think happens at the grocery store? How about at a restaurant when you are seated at a table and people are walking right by you and not wearing a mask because they are leaving? I see your point, but I think that if you are so worried then you should don your crew O2 and make sure you get a tight seal against your face just to be safe...

You go to restaurants? Quite the daredevil!

In all seriousness though, absolutely no one knows which strand of this virus does what, so saying you’ll “just fight it off” is very naive. Doctors and researchers are also not sure yet what long lasting damage the virus does.
To all anti-maskers who think “rona” is nothing but the sniffles, do everyone else a favor and just follow workplace safety rules. We do it with everything else. No big deal.

Don't forget your goggles!

I'm not anti mask, I'm just perplexed by the lack of common sense.

do people not wear masks where you live?Where I live if you aren’t outside recreating or away from people it’s mask on.

either way I think the entire world should be open as normal including schools. Vigilant hygiene and mask where appropriate is the only thing we can do. An FA talking right over my shoulder is an example of “where appropriate”.

Id say a single younger FA is a at much higher odds to being an asymptomatic spreader than a family man that’s home at night. This is very general but I’m playing the odds.

anyway this wasn’t meant to be a mask debate. Just saying the furloughs are a ways out and we have a lot of time left on the clock. Let’s just do all we can do to make sure our customers are getting a great experience so they tell their friends and start booking those fall and holiday tickets before October.

We may not know all of the long term effects of this and our future medicals may very well be at risk.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/...-heart-damage/

I am not anti-mask. I'm just saying, if you're that worried over the FAs then why sit there with a piece of cloth over your face when you can use the crew oxygen mask which has goggles and also the added benefit of forming a tight seal. It's common sense...you wouldn't roll up to a street race in a ford pinto when you've got a brand new ZL1 sitting in the garage.

With regard to fighting off the virus, nobody is saying to haphazardly act like a moron with a complete and total disregard for general health and safety. But it is important to realize that even with the mask mandate and all of these rules you could very likely still catch the virus (happened to me). At that point it's up to your immune system to sort things out, and according to my doctor there are things that you can do to greatly optimize that situation.

None of that is necessarily wrong, but it’s quantity not quality. The social distancing is to minimize the chances of inhaling the virus via airborne saliva, but really it’s about not being in a poorly ventilated, enclosed space with numerous people for extended periods. Which is the exact opposite of a single FA on the flight deck for 3 minutes.

If you’re wearing a mask anytime the cabin crew is up front, but not when the other pilot is, or are doing normal things like shopping at any number of stores then protecting yourself from that FA is pretty pointless. It’s pretty pointless when you consider just walking through an airport, using a public restroom, riding in a sedan or staying in a hotel.

It's ok because at the rate we're going none of us will have jobs. No job, no need for a medical.

Mass hysteria.

what if it was a Mazda Miata in the garage?

If it feels sporty, it MUST be a sports car!! And a fast one too!
:D

Swiss Cheese. For your health.

i just figured I would get us off topic again on this thread...even though we are already off topic. :)

Well, I’ll be darned! A shred of good news, at least.

“Despite the fact that furloughs are due to a circumstance over which the company has no control, Spirit has, at its sole discretion, elected to pay pilots furlough pay....”

thats good to hear. That was said at the townhall I’m guessing?

No, it was noted on the WARN notice paperwork.

That was only on the paperwork for ACY pilots (NJ law). But, a small bit of good news!

If you blame it on covid which it is, it waives the 10% fee and you just have to pay taxes on it within 3 years or you can pay it back in three years to avoid it.

I stand corrected! Thanks for clarifying it. It’s been a couple of months since I looked at it

Just talked to Schwab today. You can only pull from your 401k the amount that is vested.

Of course, the vested amount is the amount thats yours. 6 years to be fully vested and keep spirits Contributions. 20% each year starting after year 2

This is why I was saying that the union should have been addressing this stuff. Not every airline pilot is a financial wizard or stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Some of this information is elementary, but some of it would be really good for our group to know what avenues they have if needed. Especially after yesterday when Ted said that some would not be eligible for unemployment depending on their state and not being employed a year here.

Agreed, I’ve been disappointed with the lack of communication by the union.

Uh, we got a new lanyard bra'. What else do you want??

This may be relevant:
https://www.mppss.com/index.php/layoffs-can-result-in-a-partial-plan-termination-requiring-100-vesting/

Spirit ALPA and ALPA National have sent communication about 401k loan and early withdrawal rules as early as April. If folks choose not to read it that’s one thing but it’s not for lack of communication. Also, yes it would be elementary that you cannot be loaned or withdraw money that is not vested. Our vesting schedule is easily found in the contract. Again reading. I don’t think anyone is expected to be a financial wizard, but I don’t think anyone comes to work for the fun of it. We come to be compensated. How we are compensated I would think would be the first stop someone would make when educating themselves.

I’m sorry I know everyone is dealing with a lot but it just amazes me how many pilots I run into that don’t know how we get paid, how our health insurance works, what our vesting schedule is, how vacation work, sick accrual, etc etc etc. It’s like what do you come to work for? The pure joy of flying an airplane in cruise for hours. YGTFKM.

this.......agree

WARN Notice
 

I’m also surprised at the number of pilots who thought spirit was immune and that we would never furlough because “it’s a united problem.” And I’m a little surprised at the number who still think even though warn letters went out we won’t furlough. I’m loathe to use the term *lucky* but that’s what we have been because we had a good 6 month notice that we would probably be shrinking and furloughing thanks to the cares act. I have friends whose jobs disappeared overnight so I have been glad for the extra time to get my finances in order.


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Breaking news this morning said Dr. Fauci says they think a vaccine is likely by the end of the year.

I heard the game show The Price Is Right is going to start advertising Spirit Airlines in their travel trip winnings.

I guess George will say something like “You and a guest will fly round trip couch on Spirit Airlines from Los Angeles to Cancún, Mexico and spend 5 nights......airline service curtious of Spirit Airlines” and they will show the Spirit airlines plane on their TV map.

New cases in Florida zero
 

Testing closing for hurricane. Should be good for the numbers