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BusBoe 08-04-2023 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3677979)
Here is a note for the new guys and this being their first airline/flying job: tip the drivers. And a $1 tip is not enough for the long stay rides. Doesn’t matter if you’re against tipping culture, this isn’t the coffee girl at Starbucks, pilots tip drivers.

I was a hotel shuttle driver before joining the airlines, and I can confidently say we give 0 F's about if you tip or not. It isn't expected at all. This isn't to mention that all new pilots are millennials/gen Z, and are highly against tipping culture.

symbian simian 08-04-2023 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoe (Post 3677983)
Not to discredit you or anything, but you can teach a monkey to fly the airbus. It isn't rocket science. Fact of the matter is, if you come from a highly manual plane like the CRJ out of IOE, you will have absolutely no problem in the bus, and in fact you will be a better pilot than people who had the bus as their first plane.

And, if you came from a crappy training department like PSA where they fail you for any and everything, you will again, have 0 issues transitioning on the Bus.

People in Europe (and literally anywhere else outside of the USA) fly this thing with only 250 hours under their belt in a cessna. It's a very pilot-friendly plane.

Funny. I am from Europe. I did that whole flying with the kid with 250hr TT (and the guy sitting next to those 250 hr guys have experience for a reason). Having 0 training issues does not mean anything in day to day flying.. Doesn't matter if it is product A or B. The only thing anyone can handle at that point in their experience level is vectors for the ILS, with speed instructions. Anytime you get cleared direct to the airport in mountainous terrain, and are cleared for the visual, they have no clue. And I would have done no better with 250 hours.
It might be easier to manage an Airbus, but it is easier to fly a Boeing.

symbian simian 08-04-2023 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by BusBoe (Post 3677984)
I was a hotel shuttle driver before joining the airlines, and I can confidently say we give 0 F's about if you tip or not. It isn't expected at all. This isn't to mention that all new pilots are millennials/gen Z, and are highly against tipping culture.

I am a geezer, and I am against tipping. But I tip, because shafting the guy counting on tips because you are a cheap @$$ does not change anything. Want to get rid of tipping? call your congressman. I pay for dinner/drinks for every FO, unless they don't tip.

Justabusdriver1 08-04-2023 01:54 PM

I have to counter telling new guys to tip. Flown with plenty CA that didn’t tip, in fact my last one was the only one not to on my last trip when we had our FAs with us. If you want to do it do it. I wouldn’t call it necessary but I do it to show some gratitude for showing up on time and grabbing my bag for me. They aren’t drawing a living off a $1 tip. I even had a driver specifically say he wouldn’t accept a tip because he just charges the company what he expects for the ride.

symbian simian 08-04-2023 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3678058)
I have to counter telling new guys to tip. Flown with plenty CA that didn’t tip, in fact my last one was the only one not to on my last trip when we had our FAs with us. If you want to do it do it. I wouldn’t call it necessary but I do it to show some gratitude for showing up on time and grabbing my bag for me. They aren’t drawing a living off a $1 tip. I even had a driver specifically say he wouldn’t accept a tip because he just charges the company what he expects for the ride.

Most hotel shuttles go back and forth at least twice an hour, figure 4 people, $1 each, $8/hr on top of whatever they make. And that is cash.....

Average unskilled is $16. I would say an extra 50% would motivate me.

Justabusdriver1 08-04-2023 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3678079)
Most hotel shuttles go back and forth at least twice an hour, figure 4 people, $1 each, $8/hr on top of whatever they make. And that is cash.....

Average unskilled is $16. I would say an extra 50% would motivate me.

yeah but then again for the ones that show up 25 minutes late and are generally unpleasant and don’t help with bags I’ll keep my $1 and give it to the next guy who deserves some appreciation

symbian simian 08-04-2023 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3678082)
yeah but then again for the ones that show up 25 minutes late and are generally unpleasant and don’t help with bags I’ll keep my $1 and give it to the next guy who deserves some appreciation

Chances are it is because they have 1 driver and offer trips to the mall too.. Sticking it to the dude on min wages trying to make a living is not the answer. And if he was 25 minutes late you should have been in an expensed cab already.

RemoveB4flght 08-04-2023 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by BusBoe (Post 3677983)
Not to discredit you or anything, but you can teach a monkey to fly the airbus. It isn't rocket science. Fact of the matter is, if you come from a highly manual plane like the CRJ out of IOE, you will have absolutely no problem in the bus, and in fact you will be a better pilot than people who had the bus as their first plane.

And, if you came from a crappy training department like PSA where they fail you for any and everything, you will again, have 0 issues transitioning on the Bus.

People in Europe (and literally anywhere else outside of the USA) fly this thing with only 250 hours under their belt in a cessna. It's a very pilot-friendly plane.

You can teach a monkey to push buttons in a sequence, that doesn’t mean they have any understanding of the plane. If you think a CRJ is a “highly manual plane” just because you have to move the thrust levers yourself, you haven’t had much experience in large turbine aircraft that actually are highly manual.

Justabusdriver1 08-04-2023 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3678094)
Chances are it is because they have 1 driver and offer trips to the mall too.. Sticking it to the dude on min wages trying to make a living is not the answer. And if he was 25 minutes late you should have been in an expensed cab already.

not sticking it to anyone. This is the tipping culture people don’t like. I tip for good and prompt service provided to me. Tipping as if I’m supposed to supplement their wage because their employer doesn’t pay enough is where I draw a line. If others feel the need to tip every person who makes less than them more power to ya.

symbian simian 08-04-2023 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3678107)
not sticking it to anyone. This is the tipping culture people don’t like. I tip for good and prompt service provided to me. Tipping as if I’m supposed to supplement their wage because their employer doesn’t pay enough is where I draw a line. If others feel the need to tip every person who makes less than them more power to ya.

Newsflash. You are supporting their wage because their employer doesn't pay enough. But you not tipping doesn't stop that, it just means his day got a little more miserable. The reason pilots are not miserable (supposedly anyway) is because we have a union and get paid what we deserve(ish). You do know that most restaurant workers get below minimum wage, and are taxed on sales, so if you don't tip because "service" they end up paying to work? If you don't like tipping maybe you should move to Europe.


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