Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Spirit
More debt and more stock >

More debt and more stock

Search
Notices

More debt and more stock

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-28-2021, 10:03 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,788
Default

Originally Posted by Tranquility View Post
If we’re able to pass the cost on to the passengers, then yes, we are at an advantage as we have more seats per airframe to disperse the added cost. If we aren’t able to pass it on, we’ll then you know....
Everyone passes the cost on to passengers.

The legacies, bolstered by payroll support and low oils prices have been able to tap into the ULCC domestic market to keep their metal and some cash flow moving. High fuel costs is not something most of them are in a position to ignore to quash low cost competition.

Ticket prices will go up for everyone, but the non ULCC competition will be less able to play in our park. Imoho anyway.
FNGFO is offline  
Old 04-28-2021, 10:11 AM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JulesWinfield's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,239
Default

Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post
Everyone passes the cost on to passengers.

The legacies, bolstered by payroll support and low oils prices have been able to tap into the ULCC domestic market to keep their metal and some cash flow moving. High fuel costs is not something most of them are in a position to ignore to quash low cost competition.

Ticket prices will go up for everyone, but the non ULCC competition will be less able to play in our park. Imoho anyway.
Also, a lot of analysts are saying business travel won't come back for a while, due to the viability of online meeting software. Most travel will be for leisure over the next few years, if not forever. This puts a big dent in Delta's business model.
JulesWinfield is offline  
Old 04-28-2021, 10:58 AM
  #13  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,499
Default

Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post

Ticket prices will go up for everyone, but the non ULCC competition will be less able to play in our park. Imoho anyway.
Having literally billions of dollars in hardware optimized for flying that IATA says isn’t going to rebound for a few years is a huge overhead cost, as are multi-type fleets in general. And the A321 NEO, it doesn’t matter who is flying it - is going to severely impact the WB monopoly on some of the shorter international routes. And while the legacies can, have, and will use their wide bodies on heavily traveled longer hub to hub domestic routes the CASM will never really be competitive with aircraft optimized for those routes. And the higher percentage of more fuel efficient NEOs in the ULCC fleets of F9 and NK are going to mean they are less effected by higher fuel costs.

If the ULCCs can’t outhustle the legacies in this environment I’ll be greatly surprised.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 04-28-2021, 02:46 PM
  #14  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 28
Default

RASM and CASM are out and ESG is in. Welcome to the great reset.
1sttimer is offline  
Old 04-28-2021, 04:00 PM
  #15  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,499
Default

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post

Just don’t want the debt to be crippling and Spirit isn’t exactly on the healthy debt side IMO and getting more is not the news I wanted to see.
Fitch just looked at a lot of that debt today and was pretty happy with it and they are pretty conservative about airline debt right now:




Buying aircraft at rock-bottom prices is actually a pretty good deal if you can gainfully employ them, even if you take on debt to do it. Assuming it IS the bottom, and you CAN gainfully employ them. But if they are going to get the growth they anticipated in the last earnings call they will need additional aircraft purchases.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 07-08-2021, 04:22 PM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 439
Default

We will see what the earnings are soon for all airlines
DrDHD is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices