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taosky 06-19-2021 04:05 PM

New pilot base in Miami?
 
30 routes from Miami starting in October... Are they opening a pilot base from Miami?

phly 06-19-2021 04:06 PM

No official word on new base, cobase or no base yet.

A.FLOOR 06-19-2021 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by taosky (Post 3252208)
30 routes from Miami starting in October... Are they opening a pilot base from Miami?

From what I've heard it's something they're entertaining, but I don't know if they've decided themselves.

offmyrocker 06-19-2021 04:14 PM

Probably need to gauge how the flying goes… If the market likes us, co-base is my bet.. Miami guys will love it, rest of us will prolly avoid it.

Halon1211 06-19-2021 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by offmyrocker (Post 3252212)
Probably need to gauge how the flying goes… If the market likes us, co-base is my bet.. Miami guys will love it, rest of us will prolly avoid it.

hmm I might be taking my talents to South Beach.

Bluesteal 06-19-2021 05:56 PM

I hope not, if they do hopefully its later than sooner, atleast until i get my line... as a new guy living near PBI, my 45 min drive to FLL is fine with me. An additional 1 hour fighting that crazy miami traffic on reserve will be no bueno for me! :cool: lol

Qotsaautopilot 06-19-2021 06:27 PM

No more bases!

CincoDeMayo 06-19-2021 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3252246)
No more bases!

You have no say!

You might not like the dilution of flying but more bases will/can provide for better QOL for our pilots. Sorry if it doesn’t work for you

JulesWinfield 06-19-2021 07:46 PM

My former regional gave up co-domicile in negotiations for a joint JFK/LGA base and didn't get much back in return. There are lots of things that make it miserable for a large portion of the pilot group. Things that were promised, like company provided transportation that weren't contractually guaranteed were slowly eroded.

Skypilotsv1984 06-19-2021 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3252263)
My former regional gave up co-domicile in negotiations for a joint JFK/LGA base and didn't get much back in return. There are lots of things that make it miserable for a large portion of the pilot group. Things that were promised, like company provided transportation that weren't contractually guaranteed were slowly eroded.

I don’t see this group giving up anything without getting something in return. This isn’t a regional.

JulesWinfield 06-19-2021 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 3252265)
I don’t see this group giving up anything without getting something in return. This isn’t a regional.

Delta and AA have pretty bad co-domicile rules, as well, so don't be so quick to dismiss it. I can't think of many scenarios where it benefits the pilot group at all.

MCDUmanipulator 06-19-2021 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 3252241)
I hope not, if they do hopefully its later than sooner, atleast until i get my line... as a new guy living near PBI, my 45 min drive to FLL is fine with me. An additional 1 hour fighting that crazy miami traffic on reserve will be no bueno for me! :cool: lol

sounds like you’ll need a pass for the train

Qotsaautopilot 06-20-2021 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3252248)
You have no say!

You might not like the dilution of flying but more bases will/can provide for better QOL for our pilots. Sorry if it doesn’t work for you

In what way?

phly 06-20-2021 06:28 AM

Do we have more than 30 departures per day from any other other locations that are not a base? LAX or TPA maybe?

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by phly (Post 3252329)
Do we have more than 30 departures per day from any other other locations that are not a base? LAX or TPA maybe?


BWI?


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RonnyK320 06-20-2021 07:36 AM

We have the language in the contract, I'm not sure why the company would even need to discuss this with the union.

"Co-domiciles means two or more airports served by pilots within the same domicile provided that any of the airports are no more than 50 statute driving miles distance from the primary domicile and no two airports are more than 75 statute driving miles distance from each other."

CincoDeMayo 06-20-2021 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by RonnyK320 (Post 3252345)
We have the language in the contract, I'm not sure why the company would even need to discuss this with the union.

"Co-domiciles means two or more airports served by pilots within the same domicile provided that any of the airports are no more than 50 statute driving miles distance from the primary domicile and no two airports are more than 75 statute driving miles distance from each other."

Exactly. I can’t imagine Miami not being a co domicile with FLL, the language is there, the company needs to just pull the trigger. The language on pairings starting and ending in different co-domiciles sounds like a nightmare..."make every effort" ugh. Nothing worse than finishing a pairing in Miami and waiting on transportation to take you back to your car in FLL.

SlimBob 06-20-2021 09:40 AM

$.02
They can declare MIA a codomicile but the negotiating is how to get crew back to their car.
Also if I've learned anything from these townhalls it's to hear what the company has no intention to do and try not to be shocked 30 days later when it comes true. So that means the next announcement is that we're flying to Canada, Dulles, or Kennedy.
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week 06-20-2021 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by phly (Post 3252329)
Do we have more than 30 departures per day from any other other locations that are not a base? LAX or TPA maybe?

LAX does more departures per day than ACY, DFW, DTW, ORD, EWR, BWI, TPA, ATL and more. LAX is also a MX base not to mention… a lot of the LAS trips support LAX:D

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 10:40 AM

New pilot base in Miami?
 

Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3252376)
$.02
They can declare MIA a codomicile but the negotiating is how to get crew back to their car.
Also if I've learned anything from these townhalls it's to hear what the company has no intention to do and try not to be shocked 30 days later when it comes true. So that means the next announcement is that we're flying to Canada, Dulles, or Kennedy.
​​​​​


I’d imagine the easiest and most likely would be to just make any trip that starts in Miami end in Miami. If they can’t make that happen then I’d imagine they will have to pay you for a limo/deadhead back to the airport you started.

Halon1211 06-20-2021 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3252376)
$.02
They can declare MIA a codomicile but the negotiating is how to get crew back to their car.
Also if I've learned anything from these townhalls it's to hear what the company has no intention to do and try not to be shocked 30 days later when it comes true. So that means the next announcement is that we're flying to Canada, Dulles, or Kennedy.
​​​​​

so you are saying there is a chance of us flying A330’s to Europe:)

FNGFO 06-20-2021 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252391)
I’d imagine the easiest and most likely would be to just make any trip that starts in Miami end in Miami. If they can’t make that happen then I’d imagine they will have to let you expense your Tri-Rail ticket.

Fify..........

Meep 06-20-2021 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by week (Post 3252380)
LAX does more departures per day than ACY, DFW, DTW, ORD, EWR, BWI, TPA, ATL and more. LAX is also a MX base not to mention… a lot of the LAS trips support LAX:D

NK wants no part of a pilot base in CA.

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3252395)
Fify..........


Haha probably. Hopefully the union fights that and makes them pay for your time when getting back to your car.

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 11:51 AM

New pilot base in Miami?
 

Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3252399)
NK wants no part of a pilot base in CA.


Recurrent rumor was LAX was a done deal then covid hit and they put it in the back burner.

Rmk1991 06-20-2021 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by phly (Post 3252329)
Do we have more than 30 departures per day from any other other locations that are not a base? LAX or TPA maybe?

BWI has over 30. The only reason I know that is from talking to a gate agent there and her telling me how many departures there were that day. I'm pretty sure there were 34 that day.

MCDUmanipulator 06-20-2021 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252406)
Recurrent rumor was LAX was a done deal then covid hit and they put it in the back burner.


you mean BWI?

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RonnyK320 06-20-2021 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252405)
Haha probably. Hopefully the union fights that and makes them pay for your time when getting back to your car.

It's in the contract already:

"Every effort will be made to originate and terminate pairings at the same airport. If the pairing terminates at a different airport from where the pairing originates, the Company shall provide transportation. Time spent traveling between co-domiciles shall be considered surface deadheading and the provisions of Section 8.C shall apply."

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 02:19 PM

New pilot base in Miami?
 

Originally Posted by RonnyK320 (Post 3252434)
It's in the contract already:

"Every effort will be made to originate and terminate pairings at the same airport. If the pairing terminates at a different airport from where the pairing originates, the Company shall provide transportation. Time spent traveling between co-domiciles shall be considered surface deadheading and the provisions of Section 8.C shall apply."


Thanks for looking that up. So what’s the big deal? Why is everyone acting like this will need to be negotiated with the union?


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SlimBob 06-20-2021 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252455)
Thanks for looking that up. So what’s the big deal? Why is everyone acting like this will need to be negotiated with the union?


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if by everyone you mean me I'll add to my tab for two more cents. ACY/PHL discussion have been had and a sticking point (not insurmountable) was limo vs a shuttle a few times per day. While being paid per contract who wants to wait for a shuttle? MIA doesn't breach the mileage rule so certainly an easier conversation, but still one we can have hypothetically.

Meep 06-20-2021 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252406)
Recurrent rumor was LAX was a done deal then covid hit and they put it in the back burner.

That was the rumor about BWI too

TrojanCMH 06-20-2021 03:51 PM

New pilot base in Miami?
 

Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3252476)
if by everyone you mean me I'll add to my tab for two more cents. ACY/PHL discussion have been had and a sticking point (not insurmountable) was limo vs a shuttle a few times per day. While being paid per contract who wants to wait for a shuttle? MIA doesn't breach the mileage rule so certainly an easier conversation, but still one we can have hypothetically.


I didn’t mean you personally. Just seems like a lot of talk saying this needs to be negotiated. Maybe it was just you, but either way, to me it seems like the language is there if the company wants to use it. If they want to get creative and go outside of the contract with a scheduled shuttle or not pay for a surface deadhead then yeah that would require negotiations. But if they want to stick to the contract then I don’t see why they can’t.

SSlow 06-20-2021 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3252238)
hmm I might be taking my talents to South Beach.

Better be taking a gun as well. That place is ratchet af these days...

offmyrocker 06-20-2021 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3252395)
Fify..........

Tri rail?!? Hell no. Brightline or Limo only. Get outta here with that nonsense.

CincoDeMayo 06-20-2021 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3252480)
I didn’t mean you personally. Just seems like a lot of talk saying this needs to be negotiated. Maybe it was just you, but either way, to me it seems like the language is there if the company wants to use it. If they want to get creative and go outside of the contract with a scheduled shuttle or not pay for a surface deadhead then yeah that would require negotiations. But if they want to stick to the contract then I don’t see why they can’t.

Probably because people don’t read their contract and then speculate on what needs to happen, all the while it’s already voted on 3 years ago and approved and in writing.


But please, let’s keep acting like we have some sort of say…

Halon1211 06-20-2021 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3252508)
Better be taking a gun as well. That place is ratchet af these days...

lol I’m not really...I was hoping someone would of caught the LeBron reference, when he announced he was moving from Cleveland to Miami.

gringo 06-20-2021 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by offmyrocker (Post 3252527)
Tri rail?!? Hell no. Brightline or Limo only. Get outta here with that nonsense.

Brightline doesn’t service either airport.

Limo it is!

Halon1211 06-20-2021 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 3252560)
Brightline doesn’t service either airport.

Limo it is!

Spirit just needs to have an account (negotiated rate) with the local taxi stands and both airports...

walk out the terminal, wave your hand, and in the taxi you go...no waiting for a shuttle or Uber.

offmyrocker 06-21-2021 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 3252560)
Brightline doesn’t service either airport.

Limo it is!

Uber from each station to the airport as required. Duh…


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