This is exactly why we need to reject any TA that represents half measures in terms of pay.

If you think management hasn’t crunched number to determine how many pilots they can lose vs how much they save with new hires minus training cost. They compare that savings to what it would cost them to raise wages, and as long as it pays to delay, that’s what they will do.

Classes are still being filled, and while it may very well be a short-sighted approach, it’s obvious they haven’t hit the number that triggers a panic offer. It’s not going to surprise me at all when their first proposal comes back substandard. It’s a chess move, we reject and they can scapegoat the greedy pilot group for not being able to offer more competitive terms to new hires…. They‘ll probably let Excargo write the press release!

AA has September CJOs in a pool and expecting a January start date. I assume Delta and others are in the same boat due to the low numbers in this latest attrition report.

Spirit cutting a bunch of flights…article seems to suggest its aircraft availability. But with Airbus cranking out planes for Spirit next year I think we know that’s it’s really because of lack of pilots or perhaps the ATC issue in Florida?

but some good news for DFW folks at least DFW picked up some new flying/routes.

DFW-EWR
DFW-CLT

hopefully that will help with the reduction bid.

https://airlineweekly.com/2022/11/wh...cut-38-routes/

https://triblive.com/local/westmorel...ft-lauderdale/

That's not because they stopped hiring. It's because the pipeline is jam packed.

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That’s exactly what I said above.

What you said is they're backlogged, when they start up newhire training again ....


Word for word. As if newhire training stopped. It hasn't.

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Reading comprehension. New hire classes are full. People can’t give notice until they have a class date.

Yep, and we have many many waiting on class dates.

Let me quote you:"Your statement isn’t exactly the full truth".
They hired less than twice the number of FOs (857) compared to the number that left (458).

When they start up newhire training again.


Newhire training never stopped, thus it cannot "startup again"


Perhaps you need to comprehend what you wrote.

You're acting like no one is going to legacies until next year and suddenly floodgates will open (in fact, you said exactly that). The fact is every week every legacy has classes. And has for the past year. They are filling classes into the new year, yes. That does not in any way mean that there are floodgates that'll open, the classes are continuing weekly.

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