Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3285311)

Anecdotal, but things are still not going well…. My gym owner gave me **** (jokingly, we’re buds), because his sister-in-laws flight to Ft. Myers canceled…. And, the flight they rebooked them on also canceled….. Apparently Spirit tried to charge them for rebooking fees to get them to Ft. Myers for the third attempt through a different connecting city….. They cancelled their return and bought on Southwest. Can’t blame them.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3285320)

Do you even lift, bro?

Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3285329)

Not at all…. I walk in chat for like, you know, 20 minutes…. Putz around on my phone for another 10 minutes…. Look at myself in the mirror…. Do 1 set…. Sit there for another 10 minutes dicking around on my phone.​​​​​…. Walk around…. Do a completely random set for a completely wrong muscle group on a machine, and absolutely don’t wipe it down…. Sit back down on my bench and look at my phone for another hour. Wrap it up, and call it a good workout! :D

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3285473)

Thanks for the synopsis. I was mostly interested in what they said about the IROP and what actions they’re taking to fix it immediately. Sounds like not much

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3285516)

Bottom line, they can’t throw money at it to fix it, it isn’t working. When someone asked why we are the only ones having the staffing issues, he balked back that everyone was having these issues.

I would expect little noticeable difference in ground staffing and gate availability for a while. And apparently we had another IT crash for a few hours a few days ago, leading to long phone delays again. But they are making schedulers work 12 hour shifts now, so im sure that will work 🙄

It really seemed like they have no idea how to “fix” these issues and are trying to just watch the operation closely for signs for next collapse. However he did say they really didn’t know at what point a situation gets so bad it becomes a melt down, as in, what the point of now return is on the operation that you have to prevent reaching to avoid the meltdown.

But hey, uniforms! And someone asked about in seat power outlets for that smoking fast WiFi. 😒

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3285473)

Thanks for the synopsis. I was mostly interested in what they said about the IROP and what actions they’re taking to fix it immediately. Sounds like not much

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3285589)

Everyone else may be having staffing but clearly not to the level we do so that’s not a valid excuse and doesn’t answer the question on how to fix it. People will do just about anything for the right amount of money. We just need to find out what that amount is and how to structure it so perhaps it doesn’t become a long term cost.

In seat power is never going to happen I did catch that question bc it was at the very end. I think person had a good reason for asking it but management didn’t really catch it. When you can keep people fully powered up on their devices they tend to not start fights when they wait an hour for a gate. A lot easier to keep the tempers down when you keep them cold and a screen babysitting them.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3285624)

Does our WifI even work on the ground?

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3285634)

Just keeping the devices powered is the key. WiFi isn’t needed when you have a cell signal

Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3285689)

Any talk of mandating vaccine for team members?

Originally Posted by week (Post 3285690)

no. Recommended, not required.


​​​​​​…..for now :D

Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3285450)

IROP: internal and external review of what happened, no drastic IT changes yet until results are back.

Underwing staffing: Pay has been increased, forgot who said it but we are leading pay in something like 12 cities, not just competing with other airport jobs but other companies hiring in general.

MIA: not planned to be a co-domicile at the moment, most likely out and back done by other bas crews. 9 flight initially and then when Frontier moves, triple that coming. Too early to assess bookings.

AQP: pass rates in the high 90% for all events.

Training: Nearly 40 new LCA’s. Sim in MCO should be up and running late this fall subject to FAA approvals.

Hiring: classes full through Oct, still a hundred more to hire for Nov and Dec. 6-700 next year, about half that upgrades. Average new hire has higher hours than preferred mins. Meet the chiefs scheduled in MCO and LAS. Looking into bridge programs and military rotor wing pilots.

Uniforms: still a thing, but not until at least next year, CP says will liaise with ALPA to make sure it is acceptable/professional

New notification app will have two way messaging in coming months.

There’s a bit more but it’s late and I don’t have my notes

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3286282)

Mandating a vaccine that has no long-term safety data would be a huge mistake.

In addition, we have data on how ineffective the vaccines are to the inevitable variants:The UK government just reported the following data, tucked away in their report on variants of concern:

Less than a third of delta variant deaths are in the unvaccinated.

Let me say that another way - two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are in the jabbed.

To be specific:

From the 1st of February to the 2nd of August, the UK recorded 742 Delta deaths (yes, the dreaded Delta has not taken that much life).

Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.

Once we go down this road it won't stop. There will be more mandatory shots. This is from a story about highly vaccinated Israel:

A whopping 60 percent of all new hospitalizations in Israel are “fully vaccinated” patients who are now being told by their government that they need a third “booster” shot in order to stay “safe” against vaccine-caused mutations.

Why is there such a fanaticism with vaccinating everyone when the young and healthy have less than a .1% chance of dying from Covid?

As experts like Martin Kulldorff, biostatistician, epidemiologist and professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine at Stanford University and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, have long said, it makes zero sense to vaccinate the young and healthy.

Dr. Luc Montagnier, a world-renowned French virologist and recipient of a Nobel Prize for discovering HIV has said that the mass vaccine program is an "unacceptable mistake" and are a "scientific error as well as a medical error."

There has been over 12,000 deaths and more than 500,000 adverse reactions on the VAERS system alone, which is known for far under reporting of events.

Everyone should be free to make their own health decisions, and not be coerced by your employer to get a vaccine that may not work, or may cause you harm for a virus that for some, has virtually no threat to them.

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3286282)

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Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 3286303)

cool story, post it to your anti-vax and flat-earth Facebook groups, not here. Has nothing to do with the townhall

Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 3286370)

This isn't flat earth stuff. So you're saying a world renowned virologist who won the Nobel prize (among many other awards in his field) is nuts? Someone mentioned a vaccine mandate, so I responded with facts from experts on why it would be a huge mistake.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3285516)

Bottom line, they can’t throw money at it to fix it, it isn’t working. When someone asked why we are the only ones having the staffing issues, he balked back that everyone was having these issues.

Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain (Post 3286637)

Who needs people to make coffee anyways. Anyone tried the coffee robot in Austin airport?

Every time I see a new gate agent learning to drive a jet bridge I fantasize about them being automated. Honestly I just wonder why they don’t practice on a parked overnight plane instead of making us late…

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3286642)

Self docking parking.

I wonder when spirit will start doing single ramper parking like some other airlines do

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3286642)

Self docking parking.

I wonder when spirit will start doing single ramper parking like some other airlines do

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3286607)

What I have seen in affluent suburbs north of Dallas is difficulty finding people wanting to work for $15 / hour. We have seen a big increase in population.

High schoolers do not want to work for such a low wage (partly that their six figure earning parents having enough money for the family. They can buy their kids a car.)

In the recent past, supplemental unemployment payments and the eviction moratorium has made it easier for those without a job to get by.

Of course, pre-Covid, we had an unemployment rate of sub 2%.

Just perspective in another booming area, where people have been moving.

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3286651)

Makes sense, if the painted safety zone is clear why do we need wing walkers? What are you going to hit?

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3286661)

And those wing walkers are worthless anyways. How many times have you spotted something side the safety area while the wing walker stands there clueless

Invest in red paint for safety area and 12’ mirrors mounted at the nose, we can park ourselves.

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3286654)

Just saw a sign today where I live offering $18 an hour to work at a Sheetz gas station and it said they offered medical benefits. If I was given the choice of throwing bags in the Florida heat or sitting in an air conditioned gas station and ringing up snacks and cigarettes I’d probably chose the later.

I also think they’re dealing with a sort of snowball effect with the lack of under wing crew that do show up working twice as hard making it more likely they call off or just quit all together.

Either way Spirit and other businesses will have to adjust to this by increasing pay and benefits.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3286607)

What I have seen in affluent suburbs north of Dallas is difficulty finding people wanting to work for $15 / hour. We have seen a big increase in population.

High schoolers do not want to work for such a low wage (partly that their six figure earning parents having enough money for the family. They can buy their kids a car.)

In the recent past, supplemental unemployment payments and the eviction moratorium has made it easier for those without a job to get by.

Of course, pre-Covid, we had an unemployment rate of sub 2%.

Just perspective in another booming area, where people have been moving.

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3286654)

Just saw a sign today where I live offering $18 an hour to work at a Sheetz gas station and it said they offered medical benefits. If I was given the choice of throwing bags in the Florida heat or sitting in an air conditioned gas station and ringing up snacks and cigarettes I’d probably chose the later.

I also think they’re dealing with a sort of snowball effect with the lack of under wing crew that do show up working twice as hard making it more likely they call off or just quit all together.

Either way Spirit and other businesses will have to adjust to this by increasing pay and benefits.

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3286662)

Or pulling into a tight gate, EWR and PHL stand out to me, and they’re not looking at the wings.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3286713)

working at a gas station? Yeah no thanks! Not worth the extra money to get robbed or shot in the face at 2AM...I’ve watched too many murder mystery shows or news reports. Those places get hot up all the time.

Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3286790)

I guess it depends what kind of neighborhood the gas station is in, but either way that isn’t the point, the point is people can chose to do things that pay the same or more and not have to deal with everything that comes with being a ramper. They deserve more pay than the guy flipping burgers or selling cigarettes and right now they’re often making less.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3286812)

Rampers you don’t have to deal with customers like the burger flipper or gas station attendant does. Not having to do the “welcome to Chick-fil-A, can I take your order” has value for a lot of people. As a teen I preferred jobs like landscaping vs customer service, just so I didn’t have to deal with the Karen’s of that time. I can only imagine it’s worse these days in dealing with people.

In the end, you have to pay what you have to to attract people. That’s as simple as that. No different than pilot pay