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jacinth 10-12-2021 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3307377)
Until/unless OSHA gets off their fat @$$€$ and actually mandates this, it’s all smoke. I personally believe everybody over age 30 OUGHT to be vaccinated but no one ought to be MANDATED to get vaccinated. But if there is going to be a mandate, it ought to be LEGALLY MANDATED, not just a press release that those opposed to it can’t challenge in court because there is nothing in writing to BE challenged.

The osha issue is for companies greater than 100 and allows a testing option. The Biden EO for contractors is insane overreach. Those powers are to the states or to the people. The fed does not have this authority. And really, these companies should be standing up to it. My personal opinion is there is no reason for anyone under the age of 65 to get vaccinated unless at high risk. Which is what should have happened.

Excargodog 10-12-2021 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by jacinth (Post 3308033)
The osha issue is for companies greater than 100 and allows a testing option. The Biden EO for contractors is insane overreach. Those powers are to the states or to the people. The fed does not have this authority. And really, these companies should be standing up to it. My personal opinion is there is no reason for anyone under the age of 65 to get vaccinated unless at high risk. Which is what should have happened.

my personal opinion is that there is no reasonable doubt that anyone over the age of 30 ought to get at least one immunization. There are four other common coronaviruses that we have all had in the past that just give us colds. But this is a NOVEL coronavirus, recently jumped:
a. From a lab in Wuhan China
b. From a bat in Laos that flew to Wuhan China (distance 1700 miles) in one night

(take your pick)

and unless you are thirty or younger you probably don’t want your first exposure to COVID antigens to be the live virus itself because first exposures to NOVEL viruses tend to not go well.

But having said that since you are an adult, I’d no more force you to take an immunization than I’d force a Jehovah’s Witness to take a blood transfusion. And since your kids are at negligible risk, no problem there either.

rickair7777 10-12-2021 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by jacinth (Post 3308033)
The osha issue is for companies greater than 100 and allows a testing option. The Biden EO for contractors is insane overreach. Those powers are to the states or to the people. The fed does not have this authority. And really, these companies should be standing up to it.

The companies WANT their employees to be vaccinated, they are perfectly happy to have the fed play bad cop on this. Saves liability, cost, and operational disruption (if you have a covid exposure in an un-vaccinated work group, they all get two weeks off at company expense... even though most of them won't die).

For all we know the airlines *asked* the WH to do this... that's how we got the old age 60 limit.


Originally Posted by jacinth (Post 3308033)
My personal opinion is there is no reason for anyone under the age of 65 to get vaccinated unless at high risk. Which is what should have happened.

I think most people should have a choice, but there are plenty of dead people under the age of 65 who probably wished they had taken the shot before it was over.

gatorbait77 10-12-2021 02:59 PM

All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?

offmyrocker 10-12-2021 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbait77 (Post 3308169)
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?

you ask the union that very question? I am wondering the same question.

gatorbait77 10-12-2021 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by offmyrocker (Post 3308187)
you ask the union that very question? I am wondering the same question.

i did, no answer yet.

TrojanCMH 10-12-2021 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbait77 (Post 3308169)
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?


I’d assume you’d just apply for long term disability/loss of medical insurance, just like everyone else that gets sick and can’t work anymore.

gatorbait77 10-12-2021 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 3308244)
I’d assume you’d just apply for long term disability/loss of medical insurance, just like everyone else that gets sick and can’t work anymore.

while that thought was in my head as a possible outcome I would hope that would be until retirement date with my retirement contribution added to those benefits. As previously stated, the possibility of this happening is slim but it probably should be something we need to be prepared for. Just some guidance or a plan or an answer on responsibility would be nice.

Excargodog 10-12-2021 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbait77 (Post 3308169)
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?


The courts will be sorting out that question - and many others - three years from now. Same for the ‘no foreclosures’ and ‘no evictions’ mandates.

Sort of like that the Danish Minister that ordered the killing of ten million mink when there was nothing in law giving him or anyone else that authority. Somebody will have to pay - probably the Danish government.


Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has appointed a new agriculture minister after Mogens Jensen resigned for illegally ordering the culling of all minks in Denmark.

Development Cooperation Minister Rasmus Prehn has been selected to take over from Jensen.

The mass cull was ordered after a mutated form of coronavirus was found in the mink population.

worse yet, he botched the burial:


Dead mink are rising from their graves in Denmark after a rushed cull over fears of a coronavirus mutation led to thousands being slaughtered and buried in shallow pits – from which some are now emerging.

“As the bodies decay, gases can be formed,” Thomas Kristensen, a national police spokesman, told the state broadcaster DR. “This causes the whole thing to expand a little. In this way, in the worst cases, the mink get pushed out of the ground.”



Police in West Jutland, where several thousand mink were buried in a mass grave on a military training field, have tried to counter the macabre phenomenon by shovelling extra soil on top of the corpses, which are in a 1 metre-deep trench.

“This is a natural process,” Kristensen said. “Unfortunately, one metre of soil is not just one metre of soil –it depends on what type of soil it is. The problem is that the sandy soil in West Jutland is too light. So we have had to lay more soil on top.”

Adding to the popular concern, local media reported that the animals may also have been buried too close to lakes and underground water reserves, prompting fears of possible contamination of ground and drinking water supplies.

Photos and videos of the emerging bodies have set social media buzzing in Denmark, with one Twitter user calling 2020 “the year of the zombie mutant killer mink” and another calling on the population to “run … The mink are coming for you.”
Hope Mogens has good liability insurance, he’s going to need it.

TrojanCMH 10-12-2021 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbait77 (Post 3308258)
while that thought was in my head as a possible outcome I would hope that would be until retirement date with my retirement contribution added to those benefits. As previously stated, the possibility of this happening is slim but it probably should be something we need to be prepared for. Just some guidance or a plan or an answer on responsibility would be nice.


What happens if you lose your medical due to unforeseen Covid complications or some random illness that you get?


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