EWR Base! ….

Base announcement most likely:

"Party in the city where the heat is on
All night, on the beach till the break of dawn
Welcome to ______"

4-days going away aligns well with what Frontier is doing.

Overnights here are getting shorter and shorter, can't seem to find any layovers longer than 12-13 hrs these days anyway.

Don't be surprised if it is a base reduction bid. Just sayin....

this was in the works far before the frontier announcement. There will be a communication soon.

You really think a combined airline, IF it even happens, of 350-400 (maybe 500+) airplanes, 1000 flights a day is going to be doing primarily 1-2 days? Frontier does what they do because they are barely bigger than Allegiant and do a ton of Allegiant style shiznit.

We’re going to try it, but I guarantee you there will still be 3-4 days out there. I suspect a lot more 3 days vs 4.

For all intents and purposes IAH is opening this year. Given this coming Vacancy bid is effective for May 1 I’m surprised it wasn’t announced in the TH. Maybe there will be an email just befor the 20th. Who knows. It’s Extremely likely PHL follows, but IAH is coming. Zero doubt about it. BWI never quite got back to the same pax levels as pre Covid I was told.

I literally just had RGS with a CP that everyone thinks is leaving (he’s not). He was the one that told me all of this was/is coming.

Will we have more 2 days? Yes. Will it be 90% 2 days? No. Just see how this **** plays out before you all lose your damn minds.

Also was told in GS, 10 upgrades a month till June then 40+. It sounds like they are going to try to right size the CA/FO sides as best they can till then, but you can only do it and try for so long. Come June upgrades are happening whether they want to or not. 20 airplanes this year.

Despite a new base(s) and 2 days I suspect we will still make the news this summer if you catch my drift 😆 I also highly suspect we will still be short FOs when upgrades ramp up and 200% (primarily FOs) will happen.

I heard this, as well.

Not saying you’re wrong, but don’t understand out less overnights in MYR is possible or helps with IROPS when we do so many flights through there. I might just be dumb though.

Hell I got stuck in ACY for 5 days during one of the Irop's and it's a base.

Search for any non base to non base red eye in April and tell me how it's possible. Unless the LAS-LAX flights are going to be full of pilots and flight attendants it's nearly impossible to crew those flights on a 2 day pairing. Also if you're in IROP and your pilots are home and not at the hotel it's going to cost more to get them to fly. And Flight Attendants can only report to a base. Every IROP last year I've been available to answer a call but my phone isn't ringing. I don't think crew location is the issue. Should be a lucrative summer of this is the management answer.

I thought you had to have four days off between trips?

You dont get 4 days off between 1 2 and 3 day trips….

It is 4 days off (pilot can waive down to 1) between blocks of days work. As long as the trips are back to back, it counts as a block. Blocks can’t be longer than 6 calendar days, before needing a calendar day off in base (can be waived by the pilot).

How do you still get your 30 off in 168 in that situation?

CBA requires the 30 off to be in base - so you get 30 off, not just a day. per CBA cannot get 30 off on the road.
Actually, 117 - you can work 7 days in a row - the 30 off is measured from the START of that 7th day duty period.

One of the potholes in 117.

So all of this begs the question, how many pairings does NK build with 30+ hours of overnight and when was the last time anyone put together pairings to get 7 days straight of work (i.e. 7 duty periods)?

The March FLL bid packet shows a grand total of 16 pairings with a 30+ hour layover out of 666 total pairings. 30 hour layovers aren't very common here like they were at the regionals, and in reality anything over 24 hours is rare as it triggers an extra 5 hours pay.

I just looked at our (F9) LAS pairings and there was one. So pretty rare here as well. I had never seen one so I assumed we didn't ever have them.

What's the rough split between 1, 2, 3, and 4 day trips over on thr NK side?

MCO March

213 1D
121 2D
184 3D
264 4D

Important to note that one 4 day is equivalent to four 1 days so the flying is heavily skewed to 4 day trips even though it looks like a relatively even split. 1 and 2 days are usually very senior.

It’s also heavily base dependent

Dfw breakdown is
1-day 24 pairings
2-day 26 pairings
3-day 62 pairings
4-day 366 pairings

During the 4 days you’re out in FLL MCO MIA LAS LAX IAH BWI and we’re doing day turns out of those cities.

as usual 1 day and 2 day pairings go very senior

That looks like F9's flying from ORD. Not enough local stuff so you shipout to somewhere else, do their flying and then go home.

Anyone able to share the trip mix for DTW and ORD?

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but what I think you are saying is if you are MCO based you might have four 1-day trips back to back right? Terrible if you are a commuter, but great if you live near base and can spend every night in your own bed?

correct......

if you're willing to put up with dealing with the i-4 traffic everyday... (depends on where you live i guess)

What I’m saying is that it looks like there are almost as many 1 pairings as 4 day pairings. That would make someone assume that they have just as much chance of flying day trips as they do 4 days which isn’t the case. You need 4 one day pairings to do the same flying as 1 four day pairing. What I’m saying is the flying is highly concentrated into 4 day trips. If you think you have a shot at doing day trips because of the number posted above, you don’t.

And don't forget, multi-day trips have a minimum 10 hrs rest - 1hr credit for every 3.50 hr Away from base. with day trips, you are just looking at 5 hour min for day, while every 24hrs away from base gives you 6.9 credit. So you can be home every night, but you are also giving up credit. Additionally, per diem is taxable if not overnight

While you are right about the rigs the no four days are 96 hours away from base. And many four days do have soft time but they are usually not the higher credit trips. Also you are incorrect about doing turns sacrificing credit. Yes it will be hard block most of the time but four one day trips almost always is more credit than one four day trip

I see, thanks for the clarification.

this guy nailed the 2022 spirit bingo board with the mid February post!

Navblue does the same when it shows the percentages. You really need to multiply the amount of pairings by the number of days in the pairing. Vegas, just over 50% of the pairings are 4 days, just over 10% are day trips. "So for every 5 4-day lines there is 1 day trip line?"' nope, you can't build more than 4 lines with just day trips, but you can build over 60 lines with 4 day trips.