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CLE to IAH 02-12-2022 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3371319)
I will be there.

same.


filler

mavsfflife 02-12-2022 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3371169)
At a ULCC you can make over $250k a year while only working half the month. Plus you can easily hit the IRS limits on your 401k retiring with millions in the bank. Sounds like a great career to me.

I suppose some of us do, I made $203k last year as a 5/6 year reserve CA…not good these days. Also, that’s with only 12/13 days off a month.

Acehole 02-12-2022 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by mavsfflife (Post 3371366)
I suppose some of us do, I made $203k last year as a 5/6 year reserve CA…not good these days. Also, that’s with only 12/13 days off a month.

Sloped pay scale that somehow got in the last contract...Again.

mavsfflife 02-12-2022 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Acehole (Post 3371407)
Sloped pay scale that somehow got in the last contract...Again.

Yep, when the people negotiating it are at the top of the scale I don’t think it’s really focused on. This is the third contract now it’s been like that? Even with it sloped it’s still not easy to make $250k as described.

BeechedJet 02-12-2022 03:40 PM

My pay in 2021 felt like that joke from before C2018 when we said our captains already make legacy pay, legacy FO pay.

yellowNEO 02-14-2022 09:39 AM

SPA MEC’s contract comparison product was very well-done, however, with everyone else heavily into Section 6, we’re basically comparing ourselves to old or even bankruptcy contracts.

dualinput 02-14-2022 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by yellowNEO (Post 3372271)
SPA MEC’s contract comparison product was very well-done, however, with everyone else heavily into Section 6, we’re basically comparing ourselves to old or even bankruptcy contracts.

I think most folks understand that it’s a current comparison to other current contracts and that those numbers will change going forward as everyone is in negotiations. Any contract that only beats other current contracts is a failure. You have to meet or exceed the new round to have anything worth voting on.

CincoDeMayo 02-14-2022 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3372435)
I think most folks understand that it’s a current comparison to other current contracts and that those numbers will change going forward as everyone is in negotiations. Any contract that only beats other current contracts is a failure. You have to meet or exceed the new round to have anything worth voting on.

I remember the Contract Comparison we had before the 2018 contract. Every changed. It was before the Legacy carriers got their raises.

symbian simian 02-14-2022 07:48 PM

Corrected for inflation our DOS+4 rates are more than 2% lower than DOS rates.

Excargodog 02-14-2022 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3372671)
Corrected for inflation our DOS+4 rates are more than 2% lower than DOS rates.

Well, with 7.5% inflation you need a CPI index in there just to stay even.

You know, the two managements have been plotting this for years. I hope NK and F9 ALPA reps have already had a meeting or two to plot strategy for the JCBA. Both groups need to be in lockstep on the demands, or they will get played off against each other by management.

Aero1900 02-15-2022 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3372677)

You know, the two managements have been plotting this for years. I hope NK and F9 ALPA reps have already had a meeting or two to plot strategy for the JCBA. Both groups need to be in lockstep on the demands, or they will get played off against each other by management.

Our 2 MECs have already met. They had talks at ALPA National to start planning


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