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PossibleDeviation 03-18-2022 07:18 AM

Current training footprint
 
Are new hires seeing any delays in the training footprint right now? Or is it sticking to the timeline that hiring is giving out?

Halon1211 03-19-2022 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3390736)
Are new hires seeing any delays in the training footprint right now? Or is it sticking to the timeline that hiring is giving out?

I have not heard of any delays. But I’m not really “in the know”

bonanza 03-20-2022 04:37 AM

no delays I am in week 7 and have OE scheduled 4 days after my check ride

PossibleDeviation 03-20-2022 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by bonanza (Post 3391804)
no delays I am in week 7 and have OE scheduled 4 days after my check ride

Great to hear. Appreciate the response. Is it just one trip of OE?

afterburn81 03-20-2022 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3391841)
Great to hear. Appreciate the response. Is it just one trip of OE?

Bare min is based on meeting an hour requirement in addition to meeting proficiency standards. From talking to some guys that have recently started OE, they’re doing day trips at the moment.

CincoDeMayo 03-20-2022 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3391868)
Bare min is based on meeting an hour requirement in addition to meeting proficiency standards. From talking to some guys that have recently started OE, they’re doing day trips at the moment.

Yup. Instructor pilots love to have training “block out” day turns to be used for IOE vs 4 day trips. It’s ridiculous. New FOs on property should be doing multi leg up and downs to get some experience going, not sitting in cruise for 3 hours to LGA going through their folder and getting 1 landing a day.

thrustisamust 03-20-2022 07:26 AM

Training done 100% in Florida these days or any chance of sims being done elsewhere?

Sheg0theD 03-20-2022 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by thrustisamust (Post 3391932)
Training done 100% in Florida these days or any chance of sims being done elsewhere?


Hard to answer, in the past we have used DFW for NH as well.


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sioux8ships 03-21-2022 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3391895)
Yup. Instructor pilots love to have training “block out” day turns to be used for IOE vs 4 day trips. It’s ridiculous. New FOs on property should be doing multi leg up and downs to get some experience going, not sitting in cruise for 3 hours to LGA going through their folder and getting 1 landing a day.

Junior instructor pilots! Gotta love it!

symbian simian 03-21-2022 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3391895)
Yup. Instructor pilots love to have training “block out” day turns to be used for IOE vs 4 day trips. It’s ridiculous. New FOs on property should be doing multi leg up and downs to get some experience going, not sitting in cruise for 3 hours to LGA going through their folder and getting 1 landing a day.

My first upgrade (few decades ago, and an ocean away), 20 legs minimum with an LCA in the right seat, followed by 20 legs minimum with LCA on the JS and a (regular) FO in the right seat. Maybe overkill, but I think the 7 legs of CA OE I got here might not have been enough if I didn't have pervious experience as a Captain. IOE for FOs was 40 legs minimum.

CincoDeMayo 03-21-2022 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3392865)
My first upgrade (few decades ago, and an ocean away), 20 legs minimum with an LCA in the right seat, followed by 20 legs minimum with LCA on the JS and a (regular) FO in the right seat. Maybe overkill, but I think the 7 legs of CA OE I got here might not have been enough if I didn't have pervious experience as a Captain. IOE for FOs was 40 legs minimum.

Yup. Up and downs, up and downs, wash rinse and repeat. Best way to learn the plane. Sitting at cruise discussing crap is a waste of time for new hires. But instructors like those east out and backs. Counterproductive when you consider the purpose of the training flight is for the newhire, not the instructor wanting to be home for dinner.

DutchOven 03-21-2022 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3392896)
Yup. Up and downs, up and downs, wash rinse and repeat. Best way to learn the plane. Sitting at cruise discussing crap is a waste of time for new hires. But instructors like those east out and backs. Counterproductive when you consider the purpose of the training flight is for the newhire, not the instructor wanting to be home for dinner.

I hate to say it but I’m one of those “RJ Captains” but I’m not in the right seat trying to 3 bar captain anyone. Speaking of IOE, I was lucky I guess. We flew a 20+ 4 day and day three I looked over at my LCA and I’m like look I know you have to cover all this but I’ve heard it all before.. I’d rather talk about how confusing this Airbus is! He laughed and was like ok I’ll hit all the highlights and then he just started in on all the quirks with this airbus. Started letting me get challenged by the plane on arrivals and approaches. Watched me squirm when they left me high and gave me the dreaded capture from above. Good times! After that trip I did two long jungle turns and that’s when we really hashed out the IOE check marks. All that being said I’m humbled to be in the right seat again and after a year on property finally think I’ve figured out how to talk to ground again. Also, another add in, I do believe it’s a huge disadvantage to new hires not having a full hard fought trip under their belt before sign off.. wish they got paid more because I’m broke after the first year hit! You new hires fly safe and keep your head up high. You’ll be bombarded with the typical, “are your staying or going?” Just make the best decision for yourself and your family in that regard. Prior to the merger announcement the worse part for me was the poverty level wage. I can only hope for the best moving forward.

Meep 03-25-2022 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3391895)
Yup. Instructor pilots love to have training “block out” day turns to be used for IOE vs 4 day trips. It’s ridiculous. New FOs on property should be doing multi leg up and downs to get some experience going, not sitting in cruise for 3 hours to LGA going through their folder and getting 1 landing a day.

We will all be doing day turns soon enough!


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