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banned 07-26-2022 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3463002)
For reference the ORD FO has been >50% green all month. I’ve dropped two trips this month and two last month.

I've been doing double or nothing on my schedule all summer long.

BusBoi 07-26-2022 09:35 AM

This month and next month are blood red in ACY. I couldn't even drop one day trip.

SlimBob 07-26-2022 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Desiflyer (Post 3466961)
Will spirit allow contract flying on the side ?

No they don't. If you do you're gambling.

Cyio 07-27-2022 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoi (Post 3467145)
This month and next month are blood red in ACY. I couldn't even drop one day trip.

LAS agrees with this statement.

doubles 08-19-2022 05:13 PM

How long does the grid have to be 75% green? 5 minutes? One day?

Still on reserve for a year?

What base would you pick as a noob commuting from a major midwestern city with only a small Spirit presence?

BluNK 08-19-2022 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3480493)
What base would you pick as a noob commuting from a major midwestern city with only a small Spirit presence?

Where ever you will be most senior, probably MCO/FLL maybe LAS depending on where you live in the Midwest.


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dualinput 08-20-2022 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3480493)
How long does the grid have to be 75% green? 5 minutes? One day?

Still on reserve for a year?

What base would you pick as a noob commuting from a major midwestern city with only a small Spirit presence?

Has to be 75% of the days green at the start of initial open time.

doubles 08-20-2022 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3480602)
Has to be 75% of the days green at the start of initial open time.

Through the first run of open time? Or just for a millisecond?

CincoDeMayo 08-20-2022 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3480621)
Through the first run of open time? Or just for a millisecond?

Exactly what he said, after final schedule and right before IOT times. So before IOT opens, it has to be 75% green. What happens from there is pilots now control the grid with drops and adds, the Nic award calls this "pilot behavior". If senior pilots drop to start IOT, its red by the time it gets to mid pack, if the mid pack picks up trips, its green again by the junior for guys on the list for drops. Its not a process where the grid is green by 75% and anyone can drop anything without respect to the action a senior pilot took prior to your request.

symbian simian 08-20-2022 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3480493)
How long does the grid have to be 75% green? 5 minutes? One day?

Still on reserve for a year?

What base would you pick as a noob commuting from a major midwestern city with only a small Spirit presence?

Initial open time is seniority based. It’s open for a few days. No trades/drops/swaps are processed while it’s open. The grid has to be 75% green at the start, and won’t change, because nothing gets processed. After IOT closes, CS will start to process requests in seniority order. At some point requests will get denied because of the days being red, because more people drop in IOT than pick up. The day after the IOT awards are out, daily open time opens. Normally there will be a lot of trips in there and the grid will be somewhat red, at least in my seat/base/history. When DOT opens everyone will put a ton of requests in at the same time. Normally that will crash FliCa, and you will be angry. After a few days things stabilize, all weekends are red, and only trash trips are left in open time. Also, none of this matters to newhires. You can’t do anything until you are off reserve, and by the time that happens your shirt will be blue.

doubles 08-22-2022 06:20 PM

Thank you for the last two answers. Much better understanding now.

All that reserve time for a noob probably doesn’t have any long call either, right?

Fah2 08-23-2022 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by doubles (Post 3481990)
Thank you for the last two answers. Much better understanding now.

All that reserve time for a noob probably doesn’t have any long call either, right?

Long call tends to go senior, however in the pecking order LC are called out first, so if your goal is not to fly this can work against you.

On the other hand, It’s great for guys with a super easy and plentiful option commute so they don’t have to sit in a crash pad.

I’ve seen LC go super senior and super junior, and depending on base size there may be only 1 or 2 LC lines available. Just starting out I would pretend it doesn’t even exist when making basing decisions.

Cyio 08-23-2022 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3482065)
Long call tends to go senior, however in the pecking order LC are called out first, so if your goal is not to fly this can work against you.

On the other hand, It’s great for guys with a super easy and plentiful option commute so they don’t have to sit in a crash pad.

I’ve seen LC go super senior and super junior, and depending on base size there may be only 1 or 2 LC lines available. Just starting out I would pretend it doesn’t even exist when making basing decisions.

I concur with all of this. I had LC for several months and came to realize that for me, it was a worse form of reserve lol. You will always be used and it will typically be the worst trips that open time couldn't get covered. Standard reserve also flys some bad trips, but they tend to be much shorter or one leg, DH and done type stuff where as LC usually gets a full 4 day assigned, most of it garbage. Now it is nice in terms of commuting and not using a crash pad, but if you live in base I would stay with the standard short call, you will get used much less often in my experience.

PleaseComplete 08-23-2022 05:07 PM

As always, YMMV, but I just spent the past two days on my sailboat getting paid LCR not being used.

Meep 08-23-2022 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482591)
As always, YMMV, but I just spent the past two days on my sailboat getting paid LCR not being used.

Whoa, a whole two days off! Doesn’t change the fact that LCR gets used first.

sioux8ships 08-23-2022 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482591)
As always, YMMV, but I just spent the past two days on my sailboat getting paid LCR not being used.

Base, seat, time on property.. otherwise this post is meaningless.

Cyio 08-23-2022 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3482629)
Base, seat, time on property.. otherwise this post is meaningless.

My guess would be CA/ORD

Fah2 08-23-2022 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482591)
As always, YMMV, but I just spent the past two days on my sailboat getting paid LCR not being used.

This is exactly what a first year FO should expect while relaxing on their yacht.

PleaseComplete 08-24-2022 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3482616)
Whoa, a whole two days off! Doesn’t change the fact that LCR gets used first.

I don't think you quite get the concept of YMMV...

Despite your condescending pri¢k point of view, the fact still remains I got paid to play around on my sailboat, di¢khead.

PleaseComplete 08-24-2022 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3482713)
This is exactly what a first year FO should expect while relaxing on their yacht.

9 months on property to be exact.

PleaseComplete 08-24-2022 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3482649)
My guess would be CA/ORD

FO in Florida, actually.

Fah2 08-24-2022 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482954)
I don't think you quite get the concept of YMMV...

Despite your condescending pri¢k point of view, the fact still remains I got paid to play around on my sailboat, di¢khead.

Hope you have a volley ball or something to keep you company out there, not sure your skin is thick enough for the internet

CincoDeMayo 08-24-2022 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482955)
9 months on property to be exact.

I think this is the part where people tell you how to spend your money…like how your boat became a “yacht” a few posts back.

Fah2 08-24-2022 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3483016)
I think this is the part where people tell you how to spend your money…like how your boat became a “yacht” a few posts back.

Yeah I don’t think anyone cares

CincoDeMayo 08-24-2022 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3483019)
Yeah I don’t think anyone cares

Then why did you call it a "yacht?"

I guarantee you if he said "I spent 2 days at home watching TV and didnt get used on LCR," nobody says anything. Good for him, enjoying his time off on his boat while not having to uniform up and go in to fly.

crustacean 08-24-2022 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3483077)
Then why did you call it a "yacht?"

Yacht or not is in the eye of the beer holder.

https://i.imgur.com/WmlNiLs.jpg

Fah2 08-24-2022 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3483077)
Then why did you call it a "yacht?"

I guarantee you if he said "I spent 2 days at home watching TV and didnt get used on LCR," nobody says anything. Good for him, enjoying his time off on his boat while not having to uniform up and go in to fly.

Yacht, dingy, couch, little pink arm floaters, who cares. The comment was about the two days not called for duty, not the conveyance. That’s what they should expect on LCR.

Now I’ll go back to enjoying my day off

Cyio 08-24-2022 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3483124)
Yacht, dingy, couch, little pink arm floaters, who cares. The comment was about the two days not called for duty, not the conveyance. That’s what they should expect on LCR.

Now I’ll go back to enjoying my day off

OK fair enough. LCR FO LAS will not have days off like that. You will be used frequently and for **** trips.

CLE to IAH 08-24-2022 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3482954)
I don't think you quite get the concept of YMMV...

Despite your condescending pri¢k point of view, the fact still remains I got paid to play around on my sailboat, di¢khead.

https://c.tenor.com/AGrEMligUzUAAAAC...-sensitive.gif


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