Dropping trips more difficult?
 

Is the schedule flexibility taking a hit with the attrition being as bad as it is?

for FO's yes.

for CA's, not so much.

Isn't it contractual that at least for the day schedules drop 75% of the grid has to be green?

You won't hold a line for a year, so it doesn't really matter.

its basically almost impossible to drop anything anymore unless either a. lucky or b. luckier in IOT ( the first bid period carried out in seniority )

the whole reserve grid system is now and for the foreseeable future a CA only privilege and no longer a reason to come here.

True statement! Reserve rules need to be fixed much more than first year pay as QOL, especially in the right seat, is in the toilet. A good majority could benefit from that sort of change.

strange. I dropped my whole month.

Means squat without context. CA or FO, percent seniority in base?

I think it’s highly base dependent. LAS is a bloodbath on the FO side. I was able to trade some stuff but we had a total of ~8 green days if memory serves and none of them were more than two in a row.

You think finding green days is hard now on the FO side, wait until reserve drops are back and that thing will be red red red. Have to find the happy middle ground somehow because line holders not being able to drop anything because reserve pilots are dropping for X list trips doesn’t seem to be beneficial as well

Until attrition is fixed (maybe in 2030) FO grid will remain red, unfortunately

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's nothing stopping them from putting 75% of days at +1 or checkerboarding them. Doesn't really help much.

Just gotta watch the grid.... My first year I was 1 short of the plug in base and was eventually able to drop my R3's on Christmas Eve, day, and the day after....
Watch the grid.....

You can drop your whole month if you get a class date somewhere else.

fo.

70%.

And which base?

Used to be Dallas, assuming the same still.

Ugh, I know you're probably right. I just keep hoping they'll pull their heads out of their butts now that they've made a commitment to F9 and make some sort of attempt to slow down attrition.



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why would you think reserve drops are coming back? That seems highly unlikely

You are wrong. Read the red/green arbitration and talk to your rep. The min required has to be set at a certain level, and 75% of the days have to be green, the company cannot set all the green days to required +1. Doesn't really help the current LAS FOs because there is a real shortage there.

Reserve drops will come back. It is in the interest of the company to allow reserve drops. Right now the grid for CA in LAS is min req'd + 10 for most days, allowing reserves to drop whole blocks or outside in to 4 day blocks that are min req'd + 2 for every day could save the company money. If I was a shareholder I would be pi$$ed if I saw how much money this company pays people to sit at home that want to have an unpaid day off.

Just wait until displacements start, then we'll see how screwed up the grids and open time availability can become when everyone drops their trips where they are based to pick up everything they can where they live.

I guess you'll have to start those Facebook trading groups again.

You bite your tongue!

As someone that bids rsv I do not want drops to come back. Guys start dropping and then I start getting used which is not the goal of bidding rsv. Also, as stated makes it hard for lineholders to drop.

Oh man maybe the senior pilots that hold the hold bases with try to pass a resolution protecting their open time from the commuters like the greedy FLL pilots did when FLL was under construction and upgrades had to commute.

Yes, FOs being used and abused every day. If it looks like you'll be all clear in your base (i.e. no open time) they'll shuttle your ass to another base to work a trip. QOL is in the dumps for junior FOs here combined with the pay is not going to help attrition.

The lack of people in the office working CSS is not helping matters. The inefficiency is insane! I actually heard of a crew scheduler falling asleep while talking to a pilot the other night. He said the guy started breathing really heavy than just stopped talking mid sentence.

It's a **** show and how the manger of CSS is not gone mystifies.

Haha. That was so ridiculous. Now FLL is junior and guys are dropping in FLL to pick up in DFW.

A couple months later, is this still the case? For LAS FOs specifically?

Yep - life as a new FO on reserve is as advertised. The first month or two off OE you’ll have a relief line. It’s a night and day difference. My first month with a relief line I was able to swap/drop everything I wanted in base and all trips were commutable.

Yes and worst yet is even after you get a line you can’t drop anything due to grid being red. Obviously a line is better than reserve and once you get more seniority dropping is easier but I am at 1.5 years here (not long at all, just offering it for reference) and not once had a drop approved. I get it, most airlines don’t even allow drops like our language does, but when one of our main selling points is unusable that is a problem.

For reference the ORD FO has been >50% green all month. I’ve dropped two trips this month and two last month.

Fair enough that it is base dependent which is why I included it. Glad to hear at least some are getting use out of it.

Unless you want a weekend off..or watch Flica like a hawk to catch the days turn green momentarily 😂

As of 1 minute ago: 9 of the last 14 days this month are green.....

Yea, like I said no weekends are green..

It's July.. Take what you can get mi amigo.

Enjoy it while you can, MCO is all red the second IOT ends.

Dallas is red most of the month and magically turns green when you’re inside the 2 day window where you can’t swap or drop.

It’s hard as hell to drop on RSV i tell ya hwat

Will spirit allow contract flying on the side ?