Upgrade time
 

Whats the current upgrade time for a new hire?

Never, with current orders on the books. That might change with merger, buyout or more ac ordered.

Say what? Never with current orders? The 100 plus 50 options, those ones on the order books?
No one knows for sure, was 2.5 years then went to 3.8-4+

Ask an internet question, get an internet answer.

It’s a big question mark, especially with any newhire today most likely will be part of a combined list, 5000 deep

The big issue is that we can’t staff the flying we have now. We’ve reduced the summer schedule and upgrades slowed to a crawl at the beginning of the year because the training center is backed up churning FOs. We have 20+ airplanes coming this year and can’t fly them. Delivery deferrals or cancellations seem likely. No one knows what will happen.

Money solves all. Make it rain 200% and everything will be covered

Until it’s decided who management WILL BE in the future, it’s impossible to say ANYTHING with certainty.

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A little over 4 years right now from talking to other guys.

Unfortunately the question is "upgrade time for a newhire" not "what longevity guys are upgrading currently."

We have a very likely seniority list integration coming, a possible recession, and reducing flights as we speak. Spirit is no longer the place with a fast upgrade, that is a fact.

This! Add parking 319’s, possible order deferment and new hire upgrade time is anyones guess.

Who knows what’s going to happen in this economic $hit storm we’re in?

This.
Even if we keep the fast upgrade, it’s because our reserve is “industry leading” (if you are a manager).

I (FO) have had at least one master list (junior man) call every day this week. Meanwhile, every captain I talk to says they haven't been called for a premium trip in months, sometimes years.

Its not looking good for upgrades.

This 100%. I have multiple calls every day and one time this week, it was a 3 min voice message listing all the flights they had open for the x list. I couldn't believe it. They can preach all they want that we dont have an attrition/hiring problem but at least in bases that dont sit on a coastline, they are understaffed FO side.

I ask for upgrade time and all I read is people talking about a recession that doesn’t exist and complains about new airplanes lol. Am I the only one that knows about 20.000 mandatory retirements coming up? Lol

Our retirement issue is not nearly as significant as most other places.

In regards to your question it’s really hard to pin down right now as we have all but stopped upgrades for the last year. When you add in merger issues, a displacement bid that happened but then reverted, a questionable economy etc it makes it tough.

Best educated guess is we will see upgrades north of 5 years this summer. Will that improve or get worse just has too many variables right now.

We are only upgrading 10 a month. Jr captain is somewhere around summer 2018 thereabouts. Not many retirements here.

That's the point guy.

20,000 retirements at other airlines means our upgrade time will go up into infinity.

Also, I wish I could see the look on your face in the near future when you realize your in a recession.

Based on current retirement/attrition/merger I forecast 10 years.

Hey guys Michael Burry is in the chat!
How does 20,000 retirements at other airlines translate into upgrade time up into infinity at Spirit? Can you explain that non sense statement Mike?

you have a degree in aviation don't you?

lol, the grammar in this "sentence".

I wouldn't worry about upgrade times, sounds like spirit is your only option regardless.

Don’t you work at Spirit?

That AA flow through looking pretty good right about now huh.

No? Making a ton at 200%.

Did someone say beetle juice three times or something?

Short sighted. Only lasts as long as they need you at 200%. Plus your upgrade just went north of 5 years. Your own words I might add. How about north of $160/hour narrowbody year three so you make the same as you are now at 200% for just flying your line? Not to mention what you could add on top.

Dude it’s ok, we don’t all have to want to work at AA. Be gone and be happy. I’m generally happy here, make good money and fly with great crews.

No regrets, hope the best for you.

enjoy it while it lasts...... AA isn't exactly in a great position.


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Also one point of correction, $160/hour is not 200% of what I make lol. $240 would be a closer number.

Well its not like the economy is probably headed for a recession and inflation is still at record levels.

Wait, im getting something from the control room. Ok, that isnt true. Dang AA, you guys screweeed.

I'm not Mike, but let me try. Retirements at Big 5 have led to them calling applicants at a breakneck pace. Also Big 5 upgrades are pretty much instantaneous (less than 2 yrs) so why would anyone go anywhere else? Those that can't get the call today, will get it within the next couple years. Applicants are from the ULCCs and regionals. So if ULCC/regionals can't keep their pilots, let alone grow their flight crew staff - upgrades will evaporate.

That is really it. Big 5 - qualified ATPs get the call, lightning fast upgrades guaranteed by the mandatory retirements, highest pay rates & the siren call of WB pay rates. Big 5 are the place to be applying. If applying to the ULCC/regionals - it is absolutely a stepping stone to the Big 5. Even SWA/JB/Alaska are seeing attrition.

Most should be seeng this. If you are not, then enjoy flying for "not Big 5"

well that will get rid of her. She doesn’t want niceties. It ruins the troll effort.

Within two years? I don’t know if you know but your friend Mike just said we are in an unprecedented huge recession, he heard it on cnbc. Be content if you still have a job 6 months from now.
Anyway… 6-7-8 year upgrade is the answer I was looking for, thank you all for the non sense and uneducated responses.Wasn’t expecting less from this forum. Love you all.Mike, Keep working on your resume, I’m sure you’ll get the call from Delta as soon as the economy recovers. Happy commutes to NYC.

Nobody had an uneducated response, you were just too dense to understand

As someone who has 1300 pilot below him here, it's not just "what's upgrade time"

It's really... What happens after I upgrade. I was senior enough to upgrade in Nov 2021. Guess who still has at LEAST 1.5-2 years of reserve left at this rate of upgrades?

Everyone loves to talk about how the 3 month (yes 3 months) 737 upgrade at Delta will be permareserve.

I'm practically there and I was hired in 2018
Someone hired today will be in a much much worse position.

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Even worse when B6 buys us.

1.5-2 years of captain reserve?

-laughs in JetBlue airbus

My point is that's the case for someone like me, who upgraded 6 months ago. So 2-2.5 years. Someone hired after me will experience MUCH longer stagnation.

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Jesus dude.......can you speak english!

How do you know his name?

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