God you guys are drama queens. I think the worst case SIL was like -7% for some captains. And JB said they wouldn't INCREASE the combined presence in FL, not shrink it. If your based there now you should be based there after a merger.

Not to mention no one and I mean no one has any idea how a seniority list might look for a merged pilot group that doesn’t even exist at this point.

HIGHLY disagree. If anything JetBlue will grow BOTH as much as possible.

JB+NK won't have a fortress hub in FLL, but it will at least smell like one. They will maximize that as much as possible. They will also use their local name recognition to grow MIA as much as possible, if it makes economic sense to do so, which I suspect it will.

It would be similar to it's approach in NYC. They are at all times actively seeking more slots/gates at LGA/JFK/EWR.

I'm just the squeaky wheel. Give me ATL and I'll stay. Anyone know HOW the merger will go for Seniority? Both being ALPA doesn't mean much in terms of HOW they combine from everything I've read. Doubt staple to the bottom, but how would the zipper really go.

eh...disagree. FLL will be fine, MCO would be so so since it's our most senior base. With that said, NK operations in those two bases will be mostly added to the B6 operations. Hence the need will still be there for crewmembers. But here's my question, why is everyone always quick to point to JFK? Lol will there not be other bases? JFK can only hold so much. This ain't a "feel sorry" post you posting.

Atleast wait to see if there will actually be a merger first then we can all sound the alarm......."JFK IS COMING!! ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FULLY PREPARED? ALL WILL BE LOST" <scary soundtrack>

I think you can have a pretty good idea of what a merged seniority list will look like based on the last handful of arbitrated lists.

Here is the cheat sheet: JetBlue is the more senior group, Spirit the more junior

So what that usually means, based on the highly likely StatCat/Longevity integration is:
Spirit pilots will be upset that they lose some relative seniority
JBlu pilots are upset that they are now junior to a Spirit pilot that has less longevity than they do.
Both sides are ****ed, its a good integration.

Questions remain for the arbitrator, will the 220s be integrated with the 320 series and will JBlu dump all of the 190s before any ISL, because those will most likely not be integrated with the 320 series.

To be honest, I hope you're wrong and we stay at FLL. I don't wanna drive to MIA or take the train.

And for short call RSV report times @ T5.

Why would the new JBlu want to downsize FLL, leaving gates for SWA to grow down there. No way.

JBLu is going to soon be the 5th largest airline, #4 down the road if deliveries as planned. I dont think their plan will be to allow SWA take their abandoned gate space.

Exactly. Not just SWA either, No way they make that mistake.

Why does everyone think all of the sudden that every pilot in the state of FL will be forced to the northeast? It doesn't make sense, they would be acquiring us for our pilots/planes/bases. I don't see them shrinking FLL and forcing everyone to the NE.

thy will not this has been discussed again and again

I get that people don't like MIA but it is a such a large market compared to FLL. I mean, that's where all of the people live lol.

Both airlines do a considerable amount of flying into LATAM, and those people are all about some Dade county. To them FLL is just a cheap flight to get in an uber and head south.

You have ZERO idea now ALPA mergers work.

Because they haven't done any substantive research on how ALPA mergers actually work.

Except for the fact that most /all list merges dont allow for bump and flush.


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heres how it goes.

both sides get in a room and agree on very basic things. Snapshot dates and a few definitions.

they get in front of a few arbitrators and…

spirit argues for relative seniority, and talks about how fast NK was growing, while arguing JB has regional jets that should go to the bottom.

JB argues for longevity, and talks about the Uk/Europe flying is super superior, and the 220 was replacing the 190 anyways. The contract is crazy better!!!

spirit says JB is full of crap
jb says spirit is full of crap

the arbitrators say they are both full of crap and proceed to **** off both sides by Ignoring all the arguments and making up their own integration method.

They come up with some zipper method that takes part of cal/ual and part of AAL/VA(because God forbid we ever have a uniform method to integrate lists) and they assign everyone new numbers based partial on longevity, career expectations and category class. The 3 tenants of ALPA merger policy that none can define and the arbitrators interpret differently every merger.

bam, one big happy family in about 2-3 years.

Im down for this. Gimme that Boston base.

No dog in the fight , just throwing meat in the cage. Fall on a sharpened pencil, sir.

Good luck…………

you don’t have to worry about a staple since you’re both ALPO. You can almost already figure out what your new seniority number will be

Blue, didn't Robyn already say that if approved he would divest some of FLL because of the market share we both already have. That plus DOJ approval shows that we are willing to negotiate to get this passed. It also points to the fact that we would be going after the big 4, he never stated he wants to go up against WN in FLL. So growing MIA with our base already in place makes perfect sense, head to head against AA.
So I disagree with your assessment. 😁

You are not entirely wrong, or entirely correct. Robin, because of JB+NK having a large combined FLL market share, agreed to give up 5 gates in FLL to help appease the DOJ. That doesn't mean they will voluntarily shrink any more than that, and they WON'T. At the same time, they will continue to build and expand MIA to the extent it is economically beneficial, which I believe it will be. I think JB+NK will seek to be as large as possible in both FLL/MIA, in exactly the same way that JB seeks to be as large as possible in all 3 NYC airports.

Spirit - Frontier Merger Terminated
 

Plus combining the airline and streamlining the schedules probably allows the same number of flights, or more even, while giving up the gates.

Synergies baby!


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Can we now use Synergies?!?!

Synergies are dead. This new airline is all about ‘great value’ according to TC

TC's statement post JB agreement was quite the walk back...

You should see the CNBC interview, his a$$cheeks was under fire as if dinner was Taco bell

interview here: https://youtu.be/Ku57tmdHIhc

All what people? There is a lot north of dade county. Most avoid dade like the plague

Classic Ted, “Robin, you want to take this?” (When asked about all the “this will never get DOJ approval” talk

You're not wrong, but Miami is a whole separate (and larger) market than FLL and I hope they build it up while keeping FLL. I would much rather drive or take the train to MIA if the other option is commuting to BOS or JFK.

Yes there are people who avoid Dade "like the plague" but there are also more than plenty who come here specifically for places like Miami Beach and Brickell. A lot actually.

Why would you take the train ?