JetBlue purchase of Spirt
 

With the news of JB agreeing to buy Spirit , how will that play out with working at spirit as a “new” junior pilot for anyone coming on board in the near future ?


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today would likely be the “snapshot” date.

likely any new hire at either company after today will be integrated with DOH at the bottom of the combined list.

I understand seniority will be future DOH for the new hire, but any disadvantages for a new hire starting soon? Wonder if it's still a smart move to jump a ship from a regional.

It's proportionally all the same. You were joining one company at the bottom. You are now joining a future bigger company at the bottom, but both companies are hiring aggressively in parallel, and your date of hire will put you above all new hires from BOTH companies that are hired after you. No real change, other than you will eventually have a bigger stronger airline with more bases and a better future contract.

Is this contingent on a shareholder vote? I’m assuming it is like the Frontier deal….if so when is the date?

What he said! At the bottom there is no real difference in overall company percentile like we will see at the top and middle. There's no harm at all joining now at Spirit or jetBlue for that matter.

Yep, grab the earliest class date you can at either if you want the best seniority. If first year pay is a significant issue, choose the one that will help you pay your bills.

Yes…….filler

Yes, although that’s likely a done deal. DIJ approval is another issue but I doubt this is something DOJ really wants to get in a political fight about. JB is reasonably well connected politically. I imagine a few token concessions will be required.

The DOJ doesn’t really have a leg to stand on as they created the big 3. Who are they to deny a smaller carrier getting larger to compete with what they made.

EXACTLY. Or like when they say "oh prices will go up!" Okay so the big 4 just get to have a monopoly on air travel forever then? It makes no sense.

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They got downgraded to underweight because we lost Barry Biffle yesterday. But don’t worry, we will be overweight again as soon as Robin is the CEO of the new company.

Daaaaaaaaaaang!!

I mean, the pricing difference between JB and a flight on a legacy is negligible. Heck sometimes when I want to buy a ticket between cities, DL is less than JB on the same date within an hour of each other. Then there's Spirit. Flies the same aircraft as JB and DL on the same route, just later at night. A fraction of the price.

Eliminating the Spirit option is certainly a loss for the customer on a budget. In which the regulators may have beef with. I dunno though. I'm just a pilot. Honestly just speculating on this stuff.

Losing SAVE will be a blow. When we look to purchase tickets between us, WN, and AA our prices are a fraction of the cost of either. That's going to hurt downrange.

ALPA merger policy is “Merger Announcement Date”. Its not relevant when it closes or is approved. All that matters is when the merger is announced. Anyone at either airline will be placed below all the pilots at the other airline.

Also remember that all that matters are 3 things with ALPA.

Status and Category
Widebody - 777/787
Narrowbody - 737 Airbus 319-321
Small Narrowbody E-190, A220, etc

Longevity

Career Expectations (this only applies to fences to protect widebody flying). It is to prevent an airline with a bunch of WB from acquiring a small airline, and then those pilots immediately being able to fly the WB planes they would have not had an expectation to fly.

The “payrate” integration argument has never worked. Even CAL argued their 767-400 should be integrated as a 747 because of the payrates, but it was rejected per the policy. Payrates are not mentioned in policy anywhere.

This merger should be pretty straightforward since the fleets are relatively the same except the small narrowbody planes at B6. Everyone should be within a couple percent depending on longevity.

small narrowbody?

this is gonna be fun

Lol...right? Already in the corners piS$ing trying to mark territories. 190s will be gone by the time we merge and the 220 will not be discounted, but I guess if I was on the NK MnA committee, I'd try that line of thinking too.

I would too, and expect the SPA MEC to fight as hard as possible. Maybe our MEC will seek to fence off our heavy narrowbody flying!

I wish we could just skip ahead to the arbitrator ruling now.

100% agree. And I'm not mad at any NK who tries to make an argument that helps their position. It's not personal, it's business. I may disagree with their point of view but I'd probably have the same one if I was them. Bottom line is there's a handful of pilots on both sides with that committee that have any influence. Ultimately it will be determined by an arbiter no doubt. My hope is we can move on from that and galvanize to come together and get a top shelf JCBA because that's where we'll all make our $ and QOL.

Looking forward to the Spirit bubbas coming on board. Oh, and no fences. Daddy needs to drive to work in DTW! 😂

What do you expect? If we bring up relative seniority over DOH you get mad. Alpa arbitration does not take future orders/reductions, relative seniority, or pay rates into account (based on AA/VA merger). Merger is now on, and you do have 60 SNB on property. Face it, you and I both just want what is best for #1. Until we are merged I support my MEC in fighting for me, and I expect the same of you. As far as the JCBA goes, we are the same group fighting management.

Oh man! It’s gonna be like working a new job. Bid Reserve and it will be like working a part-time job. Speaking of which, JCBA Reserve rules better be good with all the bases we’ll have and likely lots of non-commuters.

You can have DTW 🤣👍

Don't tease me. No fences, no bumps and no flushes and we good. Deal?

airline merger newb here. what's the purpose of a fence? If there is a vacancy and you can hold it then why wouldn't you get it?

Protects certain bases for a certain amount of time for a determined amount of time. So an airline that merged can bid bases/aircraft even if pilots from the other airline has higher seniority post merge.

it's to temporarily prevent someone from bidding into another position brought on by the other company due to career expectations, usually used for WB type flying. These guys are just messing around.

Who's messing around? I hope there are no fences but you can be territorial with bases just as you can with categories of aircraft. I sincerely hope there are no fences and people's position are protected with a no bump/flush policy. Would be the best outcome.

😂, same. I am 20% and not looking forward to moving down, but I know you didn't pick this either.

Yeah I know there can be but I'm just saying what it's usually used for. I'm not expecting there will be any fences. Like what the hell would we (B6) or NK would need to fence off?

Some may be protective of their bases maybe? I hope you're right and yes, I think normally you get fences due to WBs and special flying maybe? The two companies are very similar that I'd hope we could deal without fences. Protect current seats and bases then let the natural flow of system and supplemental bids do what they need to do to even things out.

"No bump-no flush" is pretty standard and I would be absolutely shocked if it wasn't included in the final ruling

I was hired Spring of 2011 and am 40% 😭 We'll probably be slotted next to each other on the final list 🍻

Early 2013. Whoever ends up higher on the list pays for the beers!

glad to have you brother! I’m biased but it’s an awesome base… provided your junior to me 😁

The first 6 (or so) of those 60 are already parked and the rest are being parked over the next two years. Those aircraft are dead men walking and won't even be considered in an SLI.

how many total 220s on order?

future fleet plans

Ha! Thanks. I see that base is really senior so that's probably the case!

And we have 100 220s on order so far.