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HanYolo 12-13-2022 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3551253)
I'm sure F9 or even AA will buy em no problem.

DL likes to fly old equipment. Maybe they’ll take them. They still had DC-9s going until 2014.

BusBoi 12-14-2022 04:57 AM

This also makes sense in the context of the JB merger. I'm told by people I know there that JB has little interest in old 319s and that they'd be parked/sold anyway. The A220 is basically their 319. Although the 319 has better range and trasncon capability.

dingo222 12-14-2022 07:33 AM

The 220 can do a transcon no problem, and seats 140 I believe. I could see the age of the 319 being an issue, vs a new 220. The fuel burn on the 220 is much better as well, which is why jb went with the platform. Interesting nonetheless

Bluedriver 12-14-2022 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoi (Post 3551419)
This also makes sense in the context of the JB merger. I'm told by people I know there that JB has little interest in old 319s and that they'd be parked/sold anyway. The A220 is basically their 319. Although the 319 has better range and trasncon capability.

The A220 has full transcon range, if the company decides to pay Airbus for a max takeoff weight increase. So far they haven't done that, so it struggles in winter winds. But the jet is plenty capable, if you pay the money to unlock the long range capabilities.

mavsfflife 12-14-2022 08:21 AM

Weird, I’ve noticed a couple 319s having WiFi lately. Figured they’d keep them around a while.

Halon1211 12-14-2022 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by mavsfflife (Post 3551563)
Weird, I’ve noticed a couple 319s having WiFi lately. Figured they’d keep them around a while.

I have not heard from any official source of the A319’s going away. (Yes, I know it’s ironic for a convicted troll like me to be wanting a source of information)

Excargodog 12-14-2022 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3551559)
The A220 has full transcon range, if the company decides to pay Airbus for a max takeoff weight increase. So far they haven't done that, so it struggles in winter winds. But the jet is plenty capable, if you pay the money to unlock the long range capabilities.

I think the 319NEO could compete fairly well against the A220 when you consider the training and parts commonality issues. The elderly 319 CEOs not so much. But JetBlue already started down the road of the multi type fleet with the A220, so that decision has pretty much been made. I expect a lot of the NK Airbus orders will shuffle from 319NEOs to some other 320NEO variant if the merger goes through.

Bluedriver 12-14-2022 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3551606)
I think the 319NEO could compete fairly well against the A220 when you consider the training and parts commonality issues. The elderly 319 CEOs not so much. But JetBlue already started down the road of the multi type fleet with the A220, so that decision has pretty much been made. I expect a lot of the NK Airbus orders will shuffle from 319NEOs to some other 320NEO variant if the merger goes through.

Yes, JB will not take a single A319, my prediction. They will most likely be A321s.

JB would have certainly done a full comparison/evaluation of the A319N vs the A220 when they bought them.

Halon1211 12-14-2022 10:41 AM

Why can’t you have both the “A”220 and A319 neo?

I mean look at all the legacy airlines they have both 737 and A320 variants. And we are getting larger to where we want to hang with the big boys and their size as well.

I was inverted 12-14-2022 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3551689)
Why can’t you have both the “A”220 and A319 neo?

I mean look at all the legacy airlines they have both 737 and A320 variants. And we are getting larger to where we want to hang with the big boys and their size as well.

Almost nobody is buying 319NEOs. Delta, who has 319s, isn’t ordering any. They aren’t even ordering 320NEOs. For reference, there are 85 total orders for 319NEOs. 31 of those are about to get axed. There are about 700 A220-300 orders. After spirits 31 are converted to 321NEOs, it’ll be a much greater than 10:1 223:319N ratio. The 319N economics just aren’t there. For an airline that has both types, 220-300 will win every time. Basically the same capacity and capability for significantly less weight, fuel, and thus lower trip and operating cost. And when the 220-500 comes out, expect jetblue to take those over 320NEOs for the same capacity.


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