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Avro85 12-15-2022 06:02 PM

Yeah, I hope it's a fortune, B6.

I was a solid maybe before. Let's see how far they get down field.
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Bluedriver 12-15-2022 06:32 PM

Opinions vary, no doubt.

12 year 320 CA:

$320 March 23

$330 Aug 23 (with snap-up to average of DL, UAL, AA, SWA, ALK)

$340 Aug 24 (with same snap-up)

12 year A320 FO:

221/228/235

17k bonus CA
11k bonus FO
A little more per diem, I think $2.65 domestic $3.20 international. (Going by memory) and some incremental increases.

A little more monthly parking reimbursement, a little more uniform allowance, a little more medical certificate reimbursement.

Some other small changes to training, etc...

I don't know how to paste all the pay tables.

I guess bottom line is we are about 18 mos from near parity with the big 4 and ALK, on pat rates anyway.

Not good enough for me, but it's something.

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 06:43 PM

Tried to post rates, failed.

Griffinthefool 12-15-2022 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3552932)
Tried to post rates, failed.

https://pdfhost.io/v/e8ubYEkxR_PayRateTables

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 06:45 PM

Thanks. You win.

Halon1211 12-15-2022 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3552922)
Opinions vary, no doubt.

12 year 320 CA:

$320 March 23

$330 Aug 23 (with snap-up to average of DL, UAL, AA, SWA, ALK)

$340 Aug 24 (with same snap-up)

12 year A320 FO:

221/228/235

17k bonus CA
11k bonus FO
A little more per diem, I think $2.65 domestic $3.20 international. (Going by memory) and some incremental increases.

A little more monthly parking reimbursement, a little more uniform allowance, a little more medical certificate reimbursement.

Some other small changes to training, etc...

I don't know how to paste all the pay tables.

I guess bottom line is we are about 18 mos from near parity with the big 4 and All, on pat rates anyway.

Not good enough for me, but it's something.


not good enough??? Top captain $320/hour X 82 hours/month that making ≈$315,000 a year and that’s not good enough…Wow what a time to be alive

Lincoln Osiris 12-15-2022 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3552937)
not good enough??? $320/hour X 82 hours/month that making ≈$315,000 a year and that’s not good enough…Wow what a time to be alive

Yea it’s called having balls. You should get some sometime.

Halon1211 12-15-2022 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3552938)
Yea it’s called having balls. You should get some sometime.

oh yeah having balls? Go on…

Excargodog 12-15-2022 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3552937)
not good enough??? Top captain $320/hour X 82 hours/month that making ≈$315,000 a year and that’s not good enough…Wow what a time to be alive

You forgot 401k DC and perdiem.

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3552937)
not good enough??? Top captain $320/hour X 82 hours/month that making ≈$315,000 a year and that’s not good enough…Wow what a time to be alive

My expectation was rates a bit better than this, plus improvements to our profit sharing plan, you know, like all my peers. The snap-up helps with the rates, for sure, and the bonus helps with the profit sharing, at least for the next two years. But after that it's big losses relative to my peers.

It will take some time, but hopefully eventually you will stop seeing yourself as Mr. Discount Pilot Guy.

As you can see from our snap-up, JB pilots intend to be in the hunt with the top 4-5 passenger airlines, although admittedly they are taking a couple years to get there fully'ish.

What a time to be a PILOT.


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