How far out are class dates?
 

Can someone please tell me how far out class schedules currently are? In my instance, the further towards summer, the better.

Thank you

Can’t wait for the first post with…

“You know passing up class dates can mean the difference between furlough and upgrade!”

Interviewed yesterday and got a class date for first Monday of May. Also had the option for June if I wished.

^ He’s right you know. 😂😂

I interviewed in February, but was just told the May 8th class was full and to expect May 15th.

I have an interview with spirit next week, do they hand CJO's out the day of the interview?

Some do, but most got phone calls

To add a data point, I interviewed 4/6, got a phone call CJO the next day for a 5/22 start date.

Do you have a Spirit contact number?

Spirit.com for all your air travel needs.

What do you want? The number for the hiring manager. Apply, get an interview, fog a mirror, apply to your legacy.

You keep hunting for this number

fishy that you keep asking for a phone number.

Regional Airlines
 

How far out are regionals for classes

Why don’t you go ask in the regional section….
Spirit isn’t a regional

(Area code) 867-5309. Ask for Jenny.

1 877 kars 4 kids

Damn that commercial will be stuck in my head now! NOOOOOO

You bastard! That’s just wrong…..

Class dates are as short as 3 weeks out, to maybe more. Be advised- classes are no longer limited to 20/week. Effective this past monday (first Monday of May) they bumped the sizes to 30. That first class had 26 pilots in it. The one starting this coming Monday 08MAY has 26 and so on…. Plan to gain anywhere from 200-240 seniority during your training… ALONE.

Some will argue that NK is a stepping stone. But, I would argue the QOL here is hard to compare to sitting in XYZ base on reserve and maybe not get used. Great if you live in that base, ****ty if not.

don’t think classes were ever limited to 20. Mine a year ago had 27. Also people don’t leave here because of better qol. It’s better pay and better quality of the job. The job is easier with smoother operations else where.

Company planned a flight on a plane with an Mel radar that explicitly stated it’s a no go with storms and the enroute weather had storms. Constantly forgets to add alternates when required. Required maintenance inspections forgotten. Just a few items I’ve had in just a month

sure you can drop your whole schedule, work whenever you want and call out whenever you want. But while you’re working it’s not great.

Haha..sounds like somebody cant get the "call" fast enough.

Sorry to tell you but crap happens at all airlines. Sure, we have a larger amount of "trash" on board, but I do disagree with the rest of your experiences.

I have the suspicion you are showing up to work everyday with a "Im better than this" attitude and you're over exaggerating. I hope you get your call and experience "better quality of the job."

To the newhires: Spirit is a job, not an identity. Show up, dont be a dick, dont take the job personal, get a few laughs in with the guy sitting next to you, and dont let every little bump set you off, punch in/out, go home and enjoy the off time. Guys I see that are the most miserable are the ones who "need" this job to be something it isnt. Plane hot, start the APU. MX issue, write it up and let them fix it. Hotel shuttle late, take an Uber black. Wash, rinse, and repeat. Its not hard

6 plus years left seat. Yes, I have once had an aircraft with an MELd radar that we couldn't use due to thunderstorms en route. Twice didn't have a alternate when it was required. Never had an aircraft out of maintenance inspection. You've been here a year and get that stuff constantly already huh?

not looking to leave asap. But spirit isn’t some god tier qol oasis and shouldn’t be look at as some miracle career destination. Like you said it’s a job. For the most part it’s ok and for those that really enjoy working as little as possible including earning the bare minimum sure this can be a good home. But it’s no secret that (yes other airlines experience problems) while working the job is made harder by managements incompetence and inability to run an efficient operation. I’m not talking about the maintenance delays or weather delays. I’m talking about arriving on time and having to wait an hour for a gate or poor planning by our own dispatchers. Payroll that charges you for overpaying you when they really didn’t so you have to audit every paycheck yourself to make sure you’re getting paid correctly. Filing multiple grievances a month because the company can’t even follow and obey the contract they agreed to.

flying the plane is easy. Showing up having a good time with the crew and person sitting next to you is easy and it’s the same job and same everywhere else. It’s all the extraneous BS we deal with that makes the job more of a pain.

just pointing out that qol outside work is pretty decent here. But it can also be pretty good at other airlines especially once you get some seniority. But people aren’t leaving here to chase better qol. It’s money and better work quality. If you’re already a commuter and/or live outside florida there’s definitely better qol of life if you live in another airlines base. Spirit really only has real superior qol for those that live in south or central florida.

inspections required per an Mel. Station had no idea it needed to be done and delayed 30min waiting for maintenance to show up to do it because it was contracted. Not talking about a service check or the old Ron/10day

point was it’s a song and dance and it’s not always the same occurrence. But rather it’s frequently something. Problem with fuel numbers, an Mel, an alternate a maintenance issue that should have been addressed but wasn’t, etc. I’d say every month I run into at some kind of issue at least twice a month where something was very much over looked and fell through the cracks.

Welcome to the airline world I guess. These kind of things are not unique to Spirit. I'm not defending other errors in any operation, but this is what you get paid for.

Completely get stuff that’s really not within the companies control. I understand it’s part of the job. But there’s so much that can and does happen that should be within the companies control. Getting stuck for 2 hrs on the ramp because ops can’t figure out a gate or rampers isn’t excusable.

and I’m not saying this is a **** company and no one should come here. I understand what my job is and weighed the benefits and costs when I came here. I fully understood that before signing up and happy to be here doing what I do. But I’m not gonna pretend it’s the greatest place to be or the best airline to work for. Time and opportunity.

2 hours on the ramp waiting off a gate? You mean $600 bucks for making a PA every 15 minutes and shooting the breeze for $5 a minute? Glass half full vs empty. I can’t control rampers, and a lot of these rampers are the same 3rd party rampers UAL and DAL uses. But I can’t get ****ed over and over when issues arise, I can control what I can control. And in the meantime, I’ll make my $5/min

or $0 if you’re trip rigged and it cuts into your long stay making it a short stay

Haha. Yeah, those damn soft time that pays us for not flying the hours🙄

Like I said, glass half full or half empty. It’s clear what kind of outlook you have. Long stay to a short stay in MCO? Same hotel but damn, you lose 2 hours at the mall!

No hookers and blow in the parking lot of the MCO short stay... maybe a deal breaker /shrug

Finally got senior enough to bid for easily commutable schedules and now they are getting bought off for other guys IOEs.

There are people who would actually b|tch about that…

7 years left seat. Had to ask for an alt once. Did have 2 3-days in a row when that wasn't allowed. Definitely haven't run out of space for little orange stickers in a long time. Will say I've twice had problems getting backup from the CPs about technical issues when it mattered. Was resolved by RR, but still.

couple months back ca had to request a change to the alt because they randomly decided Albany was a good option instead of like ewr or Philly. No ops or support at Albany had the ca scratching their head.

SGU. and it was snowing. But wx at LAS was ok so didn't argue about it.....

There was a 3 month stretch where they would file the wrong arrivals going into DFW. I don’t know if it’s turnover, or what, but the spirit dispatchers were pretty bad at planning. Routing through TS, wrong arrivals, bad alternates, etc. Enroute, they seemed better and sending updates and what not.

Sometimes they'll give you an alternate that is further away just to get more fuel on, and then you can amend it in the air.

Column A: cost efficiencies achieved through increasing pay and training to ground and underwing staff, revamping dispatch, ops, and network planning, and making significant investments into overhauling IT and passenger interface, overhauling training footprints, etc.

Column B: Money saved by not doing above - Money spent on consequences of not doing above.

Accountants: which pile of money is larger? Solution: do that.

me: follows the contract, does what I am paid to do, worries about the things I can control, let’s others worry about the things I cannot, carries on living the rest of my life.

100% but the problem is they are seriously miscalculating bc we keep losing money. Other problem is it creates agrivation out on the line with everyone. You have a lot less calls for the cops and fights and just generally ****ed off customers when you run an on time operation. We can’t prevent wx or mx issues but a lot of our issues are controllable and it’s tiresome.

You can’t say “100%” and then add the “but.”

Read what he wrote, specifically the “control what you can control” part and you’ll be much happier in this career, whatever airline you end up at.


It’s tiresome because you expect the dog to meow or water to not be wet. Spirit is Spirit. I’ve been here a longer than you and I get the tiresome point, I really do. But I also know my input and ideas on operational efficiency means nothing to anyone who can enact change. So they don’t care, and in turn, I don’t care either. I show up, so the job, don’t get violated, cash the checks and enjoy family time. The miserable guys are the ones who start every sentence with “if those morons only…”

Know your lane, stay in it, control what you can control, remember “it is what it is,” and realize the grass is never greener on the other side. Best advice I have after 20 years in the industry.

it may not be getting greener around here but it will be getting bluer…

as for the complaining about the funny Alternate airport like Albany or Saint George, That’s just really to check the legality box. When you are in the air, and it comes down to it. Divert where you need to, then tell them where the better option is. As someone else pointed out they probably just did that to give you more gas.

agreed with noise. They can do what they want but operational choices soon start to affect flight crew and makes our jobs harder or more complicated. We don’t have the support of management or good ancillary staff that would otherwise make this job easier and smoother.


the original topic started because a new hire said that this place has fantastic qol and therefore should be a career destination for anyone and everyone. The reality is operationally things can be a head, more of a headache than it has to be only because of the financial/operational decisions management makes.