Originally Posted by skitheline (Post 3710668)

The governments biggest argument is based on a selection of routes cherry picked from q3 2021 to q1 2022. The government will attempt to define a market, to argue a section 7 violation (almost the entirety of the basis for the case), through the selection of 51 routes Spirit and JetBlue compete directly on, of which 6 don’t even exist anymore.

The government has attempted to block previous mergers, United and Continental specifically, on the same basis but were shot down as you need to look at the market (read airline route structure) in its entirety and can’t focus on just one specific snapshot of the entire route structure. It’s also been argued that air lines are ever changing in nature and cannot be so narrowly defined into a specific market as they are constantly in motion and always changing. Therefore, it’s hard to argue a section 7 violation due to the nature of an airline being in constant change and adapting its flying to market changes over time.

I think it’s going to be a nail biter, but I wouldn’t call it a long shot. I really think the government case is extremely weak and this has a better chance of passing than we all may have been lead to believe by Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...s-corporation/

Originally Posted by skitheline (Post 3710668)

The governments biggest argument is based on a selection of routes cherry picked from q3 2021 to q1 2022. The government will attempt to define a market, to argue a section 7 violation (almost the entirety of the basis for the case), through the selection of 51 routes Spirit and JetBlue compete directly on, of which 6 don’t even exist anymore.

The government has attempted to block previous mergers, United and Continental specifically, on the same basis but were shot down as you need to look at the market (read airline route structure) in its entirety and can’t focus on just one specific snapshot of the entire route structure. It’s also been argued that air lines are ever changing in nature and cannot be so narrowly defined into a specific market as they are constantly in motion and always changing. Therefore, it’s hard to argue a section 7 violation due to the nature of an airline being in constant change and adapting its flying to market changes over time.

I think it’s going to be a nail biter, but I wouldn’t call it a long shot. I really think the government case is extremely weak and this has a better chance of passing than we all may have been lead to believe by Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...s-corporation/

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3710401)

And that’s the truth. Ted and Gang have zero incentive to make a profit and attrition isn’t an issue now that we hire CFIs and we have planes being grounded. Sadly our best opportunity at any “gains” prior to a merger approval will be a VIL LOA like JBLU.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3710401)

And that’s the truth. Ted and Gang have zero incentive to make a profit and attrition isn’t an issue now that we hire CFIs and we have planes being grounded. Sadly our best opportunity at any “gains” prior to a merger approval will be a VIL LOA like JBLU.

What’s interesting, and nobody talks about, is NK could be back into section 6 negotiations as early as years end and I do believe the NK MEC needs to be getting ready for that as well. The assumption it’s going to be a JCBA isn’t guaranteed, not by a long shot.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3710999)

If we go into section 6 negotiations the company will stonewall us for two years just like they always do. During that two year period they will file for bankruptcy or announce a frontier merger. Neither of which have is making any contractual gains for probably 5-8yr imo.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3710999)

If we go into section 6 negotiations the company will stonewall us for two years just like they always do. During that two year period they will file for bankruptcy or announce a frontier merger. Neither of which have is making any contractual gains for probably 5-8yr imo.

Originally Posted by Clarence Thomas (Post 3711039)

Bankruptcy is going to happen

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3711262)

You should have taken that class date…haha.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3711262)

You should have taken that class date…haha.

Originally Posted by Clarence Thomas (Post 3711281)

I just get hung up on the Spirit Quality of life stuff. I mean Nk is the only airline with QL right 🤔