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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght
(Post 3710298)
Shhhhhhh… a handful of JetBlue pilots with seniority to bid what they want are drunk on the idea of fat profit sharing checks and no matter how much the varied benefits of drop to zero are extolled to them will scoff, feign disbelief, or otherwise endeavor to poke holes in its value. The merger will eventually get approved. The SIL will go forward within standard deviations of the mean. Eventually we will have a combined NC try to sell us on a JCBA where something has to give. For me, money can always be made but lifestyle can’t be rebought. If a majority tend towards the dollars vs the freedom, it better be so much money that any tears for what we sold are dried by the dollars.
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght
(Post 3710298)
Shhhhhhh… a handful of JetBlue pilots with seniority to bid what they want are drunk on the idea of fat profit sharing checks and no matter how much the varied benefits of drop to zero are extolled to them will scoff, feign disbelief, or otherwise endeavor to poke holes in its value. The merger will eventually get approved. The SIL will go forward within standard deviations of the mean. Eventually we will have a combined NC try to sell us on a JCBA where something has to give. For me, money can always be made but lifestyle can’t be rebought. If a majority tend towards the dollars vs the freedom, it better be so much money that any tears for what we sold are dried by the dollars.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3710283)
But saying nobody can improve their schedule by trading trips is simply crazy. And even if that were true on the day you put your bid in, things change by the time seven weeks go by.. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want the ability to swap their schedule around if new conflicts present themself.
Extreme statements that are yours, and weren't made by me, don't help you make your point. We ALL want schedule flexibility when something changes. We also know that the trips sitting in open time are most likely not going to be the "cream of the crop". Otherwise someone else with similar preferences would have traded for it. There are commuters and there are locals. Some trips are just gross for both groups... But when you need to swap, you need to swap. And to the fella who had to bring up "being drunk on profit sharing", we already did most of the heavy lifting for you. You were worried we wanted to trade DTZ or Green Grid rules for profit sharing, even though literally no one said as much. Well, you have been proven wrong already, as we achieved the biggest part of the profit sharing improvement already, as well as creating a new FLOOR for pay and retirement in the JCBA. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3710345)
We ALL want schedule flexibility when something changes. We also know that the trips sitting in open time are most likely not going to be the "cream of the crop". Otherwise someone else with similar preferences would have traded for it. There are commuters and there are locals. Some trips are just gross for both groups... But when you need to swap, you need to swap.
One quick add: we don't have to rely on trades or swaps. We can drop into and pickup from open time directly. Makes it very easy and flexible. |
Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
(Post 3710350)
I'm glad you're finally starting to understand how it works.
One quick add: we don't have to rely on trades or swaps. We can drop into and pickup from open time directly. Makes it very easy and flexible. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3710345)
Here's where you lost me... Who said "nobody"? Who has suggested that we shouldn't have the ability to swap schedules around?
Extreme statements that are yours, and weren't made by me, don't help you make your point. We ALL want schedule flexibility when something changes. We also know that the trips sitting in open time are most likely not going to be the "cream of the crop". Otherwise someone else with similar preferences would have traded for it. There are commuters and there are locals. Some trips are just gross for both groups... But when you need to swap, you need to swap. And to the fella who had to bring up "being drunk on profit sharing", we already did most of the heavy lifting for you. You were worried we wanted to trade DTZ or Green Grid rules for profit sharing, even though literally no one said as much. Well, you have been proven wrong already, as we achieved the biggest part of the profit sharing improvement already, as well as creating a new FLOOR for pay and retirement in the JCBA. That's a decent point. The Spirit group is worried about the JetBlue group selling out items on the JCBA but our union is already scoring Ws for us behind the scenes. Our newest LOA significantly closed the gap between us and the legacies, and somewhat widened the gap (at least in pay) between B6 and NK. I am not aware of any related heavy lifting going on at NK, but I don't keep up with all the news. Have I missed any developments on the NK side of the table or? |
Originally Posted by Tornado875
(Post 3710360)
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That's a decent point. The Spirit group is worried about the JetBlue group selling out items on the JCBA but our union is already scoring Ws for us behind the scenes. Our newest LOA significantly closed the gap between us and the legacies, and somewhat widened the gap (at least in pay) between B6 and NK. I am not aware of any related heavy lifting going on at NK, but I don't keep up with all the news. Have I missed any developments on the NK side of the table or? |
Originally Posted by Tornado875
(Post 3710360)
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That's a decent point. The Spirit group is worried about the JetBlue group selling out items on the JCBA but our union is already scoring Ws for us behind the scenes. Our newest LOA significantly closed the gap between us and the legacies, and somewhat widened the gap (at least in pay) between B6 and NK. I am not aware of any related heavy lifting going on at NK, but I don't keep up with all the news. Have I missed any developments on the NK side of the table or? I don’t expect any gains because our management is coasting. They’re totally checked out and just allowing the airline to survive until the merger is approved. It’s unfortunate, but it’s our current reality |
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3710378)
The thing most people have on their minds, but don’t talk about it at NK. That said, the LOA y’all scored is huge and cleared up some doubts, at least it did for me.
I don’t expect any gains because our management is coasting. They’re totally checked out and just allowing the airline to survive until the merger is approved. It’s unfortunate, but it’s our current reality What’s interesting, and nobody talks about, is NK could be back into section 6 negotiations as early as years end and I do believe the NK MEC needs to be getting ready for that as well. The assumption it’s going to be a JCBA isn’t guaranteed, not by a long shot. |
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
(Post 3710401)
The assumption it’s going to be a JCBA isn’t guaranteed, not by a long shot.
The government has attempted to block previous mergers, United and Continental specifically, on the same basis but were shot down as you need to look at the market (read airline route structure) in its entirety and can’t focus on just one specific snapshot of the entire route structure. It’s also been argued that air lines are ever changing in nature and cannot be so narrowly defined into a specific market as they are constantly in motion and always changing. Therefore, it’s hard to argue a section 7 violation due to the nature of an airline being in constant change and adapting its flying to market changes over time. I think it’s going to be a nail biter, but I wouldn’t call it a long shot. I really think the government case is extremely weak and this has a better chance of passing than we all may have been lead to believe by Elizabeth Warren. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...s-corporation/ |
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