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Forward lav 10-07-2023 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by ftaba1 (Post 3707669)
Yes it is, according to the Contract comparison guide that our MEC put together. Take a look at the ‘annual vacation days per longevity year’ slide. It clearly shows NK’s is better. For example, JBs acrrual goes to 21 days of vacation at year 10 longevity, NK at year 6, etc.



It doesn’t matter. You can have a week vacation and still fly more.

Your vacation time is worth less than JB and you accrue less “sick” time which isn’t as versatile as JB. You can also sell back unused PTO at JB.

ftaba1 10-07-2023 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3707684)
It doesn’t matter. You can have a week vacation and still fly more.

Your vacation time is worth less than JB and you accrue less “sick” time which isn’t as versatile as JB. You can also sell back unused PTO at JB.

it matters to me. I’d take 21 days of vacation at 4 hours/day (NK at year 6 for example) vs 14 days at 5 hours/day (JB at year 6). Btw, we can cash vacation time at NK.

Forward lav 10-07-2023 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by ftaba1 (Post 3707695)
it matters to me. I’d take 21 days of vacation at 4 hours/day (NK at year 6 for example) vs 14 days at 5 hours/day (JB at year 6). Btw, we can cash vacation time at NK.

🤦‍♂️

Read the story instead of the headlines.

ftaba1 10-07-2023 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3707717)
🤦‍♂️

Read the story instead of the headlines.

Read the contract comparison guide.

Bluedriver 10-07-2023 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by ftaba1 (Post 3707695)
it matters to me. I’d take 21 days of vacation at 4 hours/day (NK at year 6 for example) vs 14 days at 5 hours/day (JB at year 6). Btw, we can cash vacation time at NK.

How many hours are those 21 days of vacation worth?

Bluediver 10-07-2023 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3707738)
How many hours are those 21 days of vacation worth?

35 per week.

Forward lav 10-07-2023 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3707741)
35 per week.

a week of vacation at spirit is worth 30 hrs.

a week of vacation at JetBlue is worth 35 hours.

Spirit min guarantee is 72 hrs so the company has to find you 42 hours of flying for the month

JB min guarantee is 70 hrs so the company only has to find 35 hrs of flying, yielding more days off in a vaca month.

spirit accrues 5 hrs of sick time per month

JB accrues 6 hours of PTO per month

thats 12 hrs less time or roughly 2.5 less sick days per year.

if spirit pilots choose to sell the sick time they have, they sell it at a $30/hr discount to JB pilots.

Tornado875 10-07-2023 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3707754)
a week of vacation at spirit is worth 30 hrs.

a week of vacation at JetBlue is worth 35 hours.

Spirit min guarantee is 72 hrs so the company has to find you 42 hours of flying for the month

JB min guarantee is 70 hrs so the company only has to find 35 hrs of flying, yielding more days off in a vaca month.

spirit accrues 5 hrs of sick time per month

JB accrues 6 hours of PTO per month

thats 12 hrs less time or roughly 2.5 less sick days per year.

if spirit pilots choose to sell the sick time they have, they sell it at a $30/hr discount to JB pilots.

That's the sort of comparison I am looking for, does anyone on the NK side have a counter?

PSU Flyer 10-07-2023 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by ftaba1 (Post 3707720)
Read the contract comparison guide.

Credit means more than weeks under PBS (vs line bidding). The biggest improvement B6 needs for vacation is more steps (and earlier steps) of vacation increases. It’s ridiculous that you need to be here basically 11 years to get your 3rd week and 21 years to get your 4th week.

Forward lav 10-07-2023 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3707767)
Credit means more than weeks under PBS (vs line bidding). The biggest improvement B6 needs for vacation is more steps (and earlier steps) of vacation increases. It’s ridiculous that you need to be here basically 11 years to get your 3rd week and 21 years to get your 4th week.

At spirit, more weeks equals less time off. That’s what the numbers say.


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