Don't forget B6 does redeye sims too...

O please. If it was so good NK wouldn’t be bleeding pilots.

If B6 was so good, it wouldn’t need to buy NK to get pilots.

Now, back to something constructive…..

Take a second to listen rather than puff your chest out.

Spirit has contract items that are very much worth fighting to keep as a JetBlue pilot.

Drop to zero and pick up trips for 200%.

Reserves able to pick up 200% trips on days off.

Hang together and get the best of both world. Obviously the best negotiating environment since Orville and Wilbur.

At Sun Country if a trip is in the open time pot, it is 150% minimum. Company has discretion to list a day as a higher premium, no maximum.

Whether or not it is plentiful is heavily base dependent. For instance, currently in FLL/MIA once you accumulate around 30ish hours of premium time then you can forget about X list calls, and even most Y list calls.

And that is only on the weekends. During the week we are fat on reserves.

My exact experience in MCO.

Also, green grid rules are great for when seniority-based trading opens (Initial Open Time IOT) but once it hits first come first serve (Daily Open Time DOT) weekends are perpetually red.

Our X/Y is still more fair for junior pilots than B6 system however... in any event, even with the "best of both worlds" we'll be lagging our competitors I fear.

Reserves at B6 are able to pick up premium trips on days off too( VDA 200%, RSA 150/175%, premium 150%). The only thing we advise new hires against is picking up straight trips (100%) on reserve, unless they already broke guarantee for that month. Else that straight pick up will only go towards guarantee, basically working for free since you get nothing extra for it.

I do want our VDA system to be more equitable though. How NK does the cycling is a good option.
The drop to zero has been beaten to a pulp. If we aim for DTZ and only could save it to drop to like 30/40, I wouldn't be too mad. The real changer we need is NK green/red grid rules. If we get DTZ and no grid rules change, you NK guys are going to come to hate DTZ, since with our (B6) grid you won't be able to DTZ.

I don’t know why B6 guys think drop to ___ (some arbitrary credit value more than zero) is a compromise worth negotiating. The drop only works because of the grid, and only happens with more than required reserve coverage. Bottom line is the company doesn’t care who flies the trip and long as the trip gets flown. Now you have pilots burning sick time to get rid of trips that have to be crewed last minute. Having to finish the month with mandatory credit, regardless of how reasonable the number may sound, not only hamstrings those trying to maneuver their schedules, it also makes other less likely to float trips into open time if they fear being forced to pick up or get assigned something else the wouldn’t want.

It’s no different than us saying “I wouldn’t be too mad if the company placed a cap on max payouts from profit sharing to $10,000 each, I mean it’s better than nothing…”

As I said, we aim for DTZ. If the NC comes back with DT30/40 I wouldn't be too mad. I didn't say it was a compromise worth negotiating, but I wouldn't be as furious as the NK folks. That's the difference I was trying to make.

The fact that you felt you should say something about it proves my point that you would be more furious than I would. It doesn't mean I would vote Yes and it doesn't mean I would not support NK folks opinion on it, I'm just less mad about it.