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Peoplemvr 09-19-2024 08:53 AM

I wouldn't want to be at the bottom of a seniority list right now.

LifetimeCFI 09-19-2024 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3838143)
I hear yeah. My last 4 trips all 4 FO’s at UA less then a year all hired with 2500hrs. Boggles my mind. Good news (unless your low time) the hiring pendulum has swung the other way. 6-8000 hrs is competitive mins, 1000TPIC.

I'm not sure how that is considered good news.

If you're low time, and not where you want to be, congrats.. here's your stagnation.

If you're high-time and not where you want to be, you will be competing with others for far more limited slots.

If you're at the job you want, high, competitive mins like that means your seniority increases slower..

I'm not sure how that's good news for anyone. But hey I guess the old timers can go back to taking joy in the rest of us having to claw our way up again while those just ahead of us by 1 or 2 years got to smile and get handed a cjo at 1000 hrs.

SlimBob 09-19-2024 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3838198)
I'm not sure how that is considered good news.

If you're low time, and not where you want to be, congrats.. here's your stagnation.

If you're high-time and not where you want to be, you will be competing with others for far more limited slots.

If you're at the job you want, high, competitive mins like that means your seniority increases slower..

I'm not sure how that's good news for anyone. But hey I guess the old timers can go back to taking joy in the rest of us having to claw our way up again while those just ahead of us by 1 or 2 years got to smile and get handed a cjo at 1000 hrs.

Holy entitlement, batman. The last post was happy for a guy who made a tough decision with +/- 10k hours. That means another EWR CA spot, which trickles down to a few more vacancies at NK. That is one step closer to recalling a furloughed pilot who had to go [back] to a regional. So sorry you won't get your way.

CincoDeMayo 09-19-2024 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3838219)
Holy entitlement, batman. The last post was happy for a guy who made a tough decision with +/- 10k hours. That means another EWR CA spot, which trickles down to a few more vacancies at NK. That is one step closer to recalling a furloughed pilot who had to go [back] to a regional. So sorry you won't get your way.

Whispers of a nasty nasty vacancy bid out tomorrow. Time to break out the violins and launch the rescue boats.

SlimBob 09-19-2024 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3838221)
Whispers of a nasty nasty vacancy bid out tomorrow. Time to break out the violins and launch the rescue boats.

How does nasty and vacancy go together?

covid19 09-19-2024 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3838198)
I'm not sure how that is considered good news.

If you're low time, and not where you want to be, congrats.. here's your stagnation.

If you're high-time and not where you want to be, you will be competing with others for far more limited slots.

If you're at the job you want, high, competitive mins like that means your seniority increases slower..

I'm not sure how that's good news for anyone. But hey I guess the old timers can go back to taking joy in the rest of us having to claw our way up again while those just ahead of us by 1 or 2 years got to smile and get handed a cjo at 1000 hrs.

What happened in the last few years was a historic aberration. Things are now returning to historic standards. So sorry your flight school lied to you, buckle up it's likely to get worse.

CincoDeMayo 09-19-2024 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by covid19 (Post 3838239)
What happened in the last few years was a historic aberration. Things are now returning to historic standards. So sorry your flight school lied to you, buckle up it's likely to get worse.

It sure seems like it with aircraft delivery issues and many ULCC/LCC pilots now looking to leave/have left/will leave. Retirements are still a real thing still but now youll see many more applicants in the stacks that are very well qualified.

Noisecanceller 09-19-2024 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3838189)
I wouldn't want to be at the bottom of a seniority list right now.


Being at the top of spirit offers little to no security at this point so your argument is moot

60av8tor 09-19-2024 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3838198)
But hey I guess the old timers can go back to taking joy in the rest of us having to claw our way up again while those just ahead of us by 1 or 2 years got to smile and get handed a cjo at 1000 hrs.

Not sure that I'd call it good news, but your post certainly makes me see why it's welcome news to some. You're taking a snapshot of 24 months, give or take, and acting like that is the norm. Guess what? The majority of the members here went through what you're going through - many WAY more difficult. So yeah, you won't find much sympathy while whining that you weren't a miracle baby. Read the room, know your audience, etc. Possibly those that have been in the left seat as long as the miracle babies have been alive look forward to flying with guys with a smidge of experience again🤷‍♂️

Uninteresting 09-20-2024 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by Peoplemvr (Post 3838189)
I wouldn't want to be at the bottom of a seniority list right now.

why???????????


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