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Bluedriver 12-19-2023 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3739167)
Not sure what any of this means. What’s a commuter. Move to a base!

I wonder if you "moved" to a base, or happen to live or be from a place Spirit just happened to have a base?

Either way, we need this JCBA to work for everyone, not just the people who happen to be from or want to live in small number of yellow/blue bases.

Tranquility 12-19-2023 03:55 PM

I've worked under both variable RAPs (awarded in theory by seniority on a daily basis) and consistent RAPs awarded with the monthly schedule. I prefer the consistent ones (especially when we had line bidding and there was accountability for who was awarded what RAP per reserve line).

I think the only other area that I like NKs reserve work rules is that our LCR to SCR payout is at your hourly rate and not a flat rate, and we have fewer involuntary conversions....

GhostKhost 12-19-2023 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by aerospacepilot (Post 3738062)
Can someone share the details of Spirit's Drop To Zero policy? I've heard it's great for QOL. Are there any limits on dropping on certain dates (holidays, low reserve coverage, etc...)? Can you drop to 0 hours in a month, or are you required to pick up to a minimum threshold? If you can drop to 0 hours in a month, are there limits to how often you can do this in a year? What other airlines offer this? Thanks in advance.

Here are some things I’ve learned at Spirit that I wasn’t told before hand.

You can’t drop to zero when on reserve. Makes sense that they need the reserve coverage.

If your schedule is finalized for the month and you’re on reserve - your reserve days can get moved around and your schedule isn’t really final until 72 hours prior to that date. If you want it off you get 4 immovable days off per month at your request that have to be made ahead of time.

Bluedriver 12-19-2023 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3739173)
I've worked under both variable RAPs (awarded in theory by seniority on a daily basis) and consistent RAPs awarded with the monthly schedule. I prefer the consistent ones (especially when we had line bidding and there was accountability for who was awarded what RAP per reserve line).

I think the only other area that I like NKs reserve work rules is that our LCR to SCR payout is at your hourly rate and not a flat rate, and we have fewer involuntary conversions....

How much credit do you get for a LCR to SCR escalation?

I agree, LCR to SCR needs to pay real money, and should come with a hotel room for the escalation.

Flyby1206 12-19-2023 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by GhostKhost (Post 3739174)
If your schedule is finalized for the month and you’re on reserve - your reserve days can get moved around and your schedule isn’t really final until 72 hours prior to that date. If you want it off you get 4 immovable days off per month at your request that have to be made ahead of time.

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Bluediver 12-19-2023 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by vegabondpilot (Post 3738809)
Also, reserve here is better than at Jetblue in some respects.

Elaborate , I haven’t read one thing that’s better and you can be reassigned as a line holder without consequence? You’re peeing up the wrong tree friend.

Bluedriver 12-19-2023 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3739184)

Exactly! Horrible.

Tranquility 12-19-2023 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3739183)
How much credit do you get for a LCR to SCR escalation?

I agree, LCR to SCR needs to pay real money, and should come with a hotel room for the escalation.

1 hour of pay for each of the first 4 conversions (our max involuntary), 2 hours for every subsequent conversion (voluntary). The comparison guide said you guys get a flat $100, is that accurate??

Bluedriver 12-19-2023 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3739196)
1 hour of pay for each of the first 4 conversions (our max involuntary), 2 hours for every subsequent conversion (voluntary). The comparison guide said you guys get a flat $100, is that accurate??

Unfortunately yes, which is completely unacceptable.

Even one hour is not nearly enough, but better than our $100. Just for perspective, we've only ever had ONE full CBA negotiations. So there are definitely many things that need to be cleaned up. But we also have some good stuff.

Noisecanceller 12-20-2023 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by GhostKhost (Post 3739174)
Here are some things I’ve learned at Spirit that I wasn’t told before hand.

You can’t drop to zero when on reserve. Makes sense that they need the reserve coverage.

If your schedule is finalized for the month and you’re on reserve - your reserve days can get moved around and your schedule isn’t really final until 72 hours prior to that date. If you want it off you get 4 immovable days off per month at your request that have to be made ahead of time.

This is not at all accurate


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