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Noisecanceller 01-18-2024 06:11 AM

If there is a solid path forward.
 
Let’s say this management group or a new management group formulates a viable path forward, what are the chances that it can’t be executed regardless because massive attrition implodes the airline.

Can what will be viewed as a dying airline be able to hire enough employees to backfill the massive attrition and execute the path forward?

FlyGuy2002 01-18-2024 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3754336)
Let’s say this management group or a new management group formulates a viable path forward, what are the chances that it can’t be executed regardless because massive attrition implodes the airline.

Can what will be viewed as a dying airline be able to hire enough employees to backfill the massive attrition and execute the path forward?

I personally believe attrition won't be as massive as you think. Hiring is slowing everywhere. People will still leave and try to Leave no doubt. But I highly suspect that the days of spending 3 months here and getting a call from 3 legacies is rapidly diminishing. At least for now. I get your point on a larger sense... I just see some of these young guys being shocked when the big 4 aren't calling with 2500 total time.

Noisecanceller 01-18-2024 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3754339)
I personally believe attrition won't be as massive as you think. Hiring is slowing everywhere. People will still leave and try to Leave no doubt. But I highly suspect that the days of spending 3 months here and getting a call from 3 legacies is rapidly diminishing. At least for now. I get your point on a larger sense... I just see some of these young guys being shocked when the big 4 aren't calling with 2500 total time.

Maybe so in a macro sense but I assume with blood in the water the legacies will be prioritizing any application with Spirit as the current employer. They will want to bleed us to death.

Halon1211 01-18-2024 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3754336)
Let’s say this management group or a new management group formulates a viable path forward, what are the chances that it can’t be executed regardless because massive attrition implodes the airline.

Can what will be viewed as a dying airline be able to hire enough employees to backfill the massive attrition and execute the path forward?


yes! There is a solid path forward.

they recently poured cement on the path that goes of the cliff. So it’s fully cured and feels pretty solid..

JulesWinfield 01-18-2024 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3754339)
I personally believe attrition won't be as massive as you think. Hiring is slowing everywhere. People will still leave and try to Leave no doubt. But I highly suspect that the days of spending 3 months here and getting a call from 3 legacies is rapidly diminishing. At least for now. I get your point on a larger sense... I just see some of these young guys being shocked when the big 4 aren't calling with 2500 total time.

Hiring is slowing from all time highs, but American and United still want 2k this year, Delta wants 1k, Southwest, Alaska, JetBlue, Atlas, etc are all hiring still.

FlyGuy2002 01-18-2024 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3754351)
Hiring is slowing from all time highs, but American and United still want 2k this year, Delta wants 1k, Southwest, Alaska, JetBlue, Atlas, etc are all hiring still.

of course they are. However they are getting apps from the likes of UPS and FedEx. And I heard delta just stopped temporarily. So the spigot hasn't been turned off but it's being restricted. People will leave but it won't be as easy as just submitting an app, the way it's been the last 3 years. Many assumed they'd get a call after a few months here. I just speculating they are in for a surprise that it may take much longer than they have gotten used too.

Marvin2222 01-18-2024 06:47 AM

I hope they didn't burn any bridges when they quit there flight school last year.

JulesWinfield 01-18-2024 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3754355)
of course they are. However they are getting apps from the likes of UPS and FedEx. And I heard delta just stopped temporarily. So the spigot hasn't been turned off but it's being restricted. People will leave but it won't be as easy as just submitting an app, the way it's been the last 3 years. Many assumed they'd get a call after a few months here. I just speculating they are in for a surprise that it may take much longer than they have gotten used too.

Sure, people are arrogant and think because they’ve been somewhere for 10 years, they’re entitled to another job as soon as they click Submit. If Spirit shutdown tomorrow, there’s a job for every Spirit pilot over the next few years. American alone is retiring over 700 pilots each of the next 4 years.

checkgear 01-18-2024 06:49 AM

Are your apps out Noise? Time to get ahead in the line of 3k pilots looking to abandon ship before it’s too late. Hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Noisecanceller 01-18-2024 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 3754365)
Are your apps out Noise? Time to get ahead in the line of 3k pilots looking to abandon ship before it’s too late. Hope for the best and plan for the worst.


My question was can spirit execute a VIABLE path forward if they are bleeding employees faster than they can replace them.

This of course presumes they actually have a VIABLE path forward ready to execute.


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