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Old 01-24-2024 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CatPilot1
This is why Spirit will apply for and receive a bail out to avoid chapter 11 if all mergers are prohibited.
Under which program?
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Old 01-24-2024 | 03:54 PM
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Is it even possible for the company to change the business model though?

I'm kinda half joking and half serious. Before the pandemic I actually believed that our economy was based off of free market capitalism, but honestly I'm not so sure anymore. At this point it seems that the government is able to meddle freely in anything and everything without pushback.

Like if Spirit decided to switch to a model akin to Southwest, does anyone else feel like the government could step in and force us to stay a ULCC?

I feel like Judge Young was hinting at it in a roundabout way. SPIRIT WILL FLY THE POORS AND THEY WILL LIKE IT!
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Old 01-24-2024 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
Is it even possible for the company to change the business model though?

I'm kinda half joking and half serious. Before the pandemic I actually believed that our economy was based off of free market capitalism, but honestly I'm not so sure anymore. At this point it seems that the government is able to meddle freely in anything and everything without pushback.

Like if Spirit decided to switch to a model akin to Southwest, does anyone else feel like the government could step in and force us to stay a ULCC?

I feel like Judge Young was hinting at it in a roundabout way. SPIRIT WILL FLY THE POORS AND THEY WILL LIKE IT!
The government has been meddling for Lord knows how long... Mortgage interest deduction, student loan interest deduction, EV credits, solar credits, charitable donation deduction, capital loss write-offs.... The list goes on and on..... Barely anything in our economy stands on its own merits.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AbjectFutility
Under which program?
We make them up on the fly by decree.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
what is this, North Korea?

the last thing we want is that level of centralized government meddling. Any such program would be an absolute disaster for this career. The more the government gets involved, the more they’ll dick it up.

The first thing they’d try to do in that scenario is lower pilot pay. The public won’t care about a bunch of rich dudes getting a haircut, and the government won’t care what the long term ramifications are.
Son. Did you forget three year of COVID and all the airline bailouts. And now you think the government is meddling? Lolz.

Contrary to what anyone says, the free market economy is a shadow of its former self.

that Ship has sailed.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AbjectFutility
Under which program?
The same program we use to fund Ukraine and Israel.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
The government has been meddling for Lord knows how long... Mortgage interest deduction, student loan interest deduction, EV credits, solar credits, charitable donation deduction, capital loss write-offs.... The list goes on and on..... Barely anything in our economy stands on its own merits.
Isn't that the truth!!
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Old 01-24-2024 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Son. Did you forget three year of COVID and all the airline bailouts. And now you think the government is meddling? Lolz.

Contrary to what anyone says, the free market economy is a shadow of its former self.

that Ship has sailed.
Son, the issue with ULCCs has nothing to do with Covid. Spirit and Frontier could end tomorrow and the economy wouldn’t skip a beat. Sorry to whiz in your cheerios.

but feel free to keep on dreaming for a bailout.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 06:09 PM
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If not for covid, legacies likely never make such a firm pivot to economy plus.
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Old 01-24-2024 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule
If not for covid, legacies likely never make such a firm pivot to economy plus.
that's a small part of it. but most pax are tired of the terrible ULCC. Spirit, Frontier and Allegiant are in for a rude and well deserved awakening. horrendous companies. it was bound to happen eventually. Hopefully they wil be all gone and this profession is back to being respectable. ULCC hurt the profession.
Also most of the rebound was international...
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