Hiring?
 

Are you Hiring? Ur profile says so. Thanks

Not at this time.

Probably soon I’d imagine.

Hiring will most likely happen to cover the increased attrition.

Depends on how many and how long the aircraft get parked for engine issues.

Will be firing soon actually

Well the profile also says "Quickyake"

I doubt it with the increased attrition.

I am curious of how long its going to take for attrition to actually hit and how that plays into potential furloughs.

If someone applied to another carrier today, how long until they leave Spirit and start class at their new job? 6 months? 9 months?

Granted a lot of people are headed for the door, will attrition be fast enough in order for the operation be able to keep all the pilots on payroll?

I applied to United in October, Interviewed in December, Class in April. So for my particular situation, 6 months..

I would not want to be in charge of Manpower.

I still think the attrition will be disproportinately FOs. Ironically they had a headstart as many of them prob had their apps out before the merger denial/delay.

I don't know how the balance is right now between Caps and FOs, but if it was reasonably balanced previously then it will be out of balance shortly. As the Captain numbers will likely outsize the FO numbers by a larger and larger number in the short term, you will likely see a displacement of Captains before you would see any furlough. Then it comes down to how good they are at predicting how many Captains will actually leave. Since those that leave will only be giving 2 weeks notice, deciding how many to displace is going to be a wild arse guess that has to be done well before the company actually knows who is leaving. Then once you tell folks they are displaced, those that hadn't sent out their apps already will prob do so. That means that your training plan is going to be blown up multiple times.

I guess the good news is that the big 3 have been poaching Spirit folks for awhile, so they should have a good baseline of attrition to work from. Now they just need to figure out how many folks further up the seniority list have seen the light at the end of the tunnel and now believe it is in fact a train!

So, I would not want to be in charge of Manpower.

per the Town Hall and Investors call, no hiring and no upgrading for the rest of the year.

my guess is no furloughs either because I bet the company is thinking attrition will pick up with all the bad news.

They won't wait 8 months for 500 pilots to trickle out through attrition. The axe is coming

Looking at the latest fleet plan, and using 16 pilots/airframe, EOY 2024 we'll have 215 airframes which needs 3,400-3,500 pilots. EOY 2025 we'll need 3,700-3,800. Now, how many of those aircraft will actually be flying???

It’s February…. The axe should have already come. Why would they furlough before the spring break and summer time push? Just relax this is the airline industry welcome to not all sunshine and rainbows…

The only reason they haven't happened yet is because of the merger agreement. Ted and Joanna have hog tied each other with this deal. Double edged sword this agreement is. I'm relaxed though I could care less about furloughs. Like you said it's all Airline stuff

15 planes out of service at the lowest 40 at the highest, average of 27 they say

Id bet 500 will be gone by end of Q1

500-700

filler

Those numbers can't happen that quickly hence the reason the company is laying the groundwork right now for more disappointment. I agree though they need 500-700 but I doubt Joanna will give the green light for Ted to furlough. I also doubt SPA agrees to a BS deal like the flight attendants received with no compensation attached. Popcorn ready

I agree. My guess is 300-400. Notices go out by end of Q1. Busy travel season ahead but with this many planes grounded (and increasing) they more than likely are over staffed. It’s unfortunate but the cost savings will push them to do it.

Why? The engines will be all fixed up by 2025 so then we will need to hire and train, 1,000 pilots? Don’t make math sense to me to furlough even 1 pilot.

With 100 hours of ioe that’s 100,000 hours of ioe, we would all be displaced the entire year of 2025.

2025? What are you talking about ? This engine issue will continue much longer then 2025

still taking deliveries, with a net gain end of 2024

wrong teddy and co stated we would be the same size

No they didn't. They said we would have the same capacity. Bigger planes with higher utilization gets us there.

Still projected to have 40 planes parked by then end of '24 with an average of 20 down for the year.
20 new 321Neo's and 7 new 320Neo's expected by the end of the year. Losing 17 319's in that time frame too.

We gain 2456 seats with the addition of the 320 and 321's minus the 319's.

The average of 320's that we will lose (20 average over the year) is 3640. We have to make up 1184 seats in effeciency/utilization to stay flat over the course of the year. I dont know how many we averaged down in '23 though that would take away from it as well. I wanna say 12 are on the ground now?

The 321's will have to stay busy to make it up. Should mean a higher 321 pay for us.

Based on the delivery schedule and retirements it looks like we gain seats the first 3 quarters and lose some in Q4 before the groundings are factored in.

https://ir.spirit.com/resources/fleet-plan/default.aspx

​​​​​​Looks like you guys might be right. Ted and bendo briefing the MEC followed by "strategic planning" doesn't sound great to me. I don't pay a ton of attention to these announcements though so maybe it's fairly standard. Maybe it's just to tell the MEC to pound sand regarding opening negotiations.

Any theories, if it is a reduction, on why if we are supposedly going to be net neutral with staffing after the deliveries this year?

Who knows. But if spirit survives 2024, which they will, then when 2025 hits and we have all of our planes back and running...lets just say if they furloughed, X and Y list calls will be through the roof. Doesn't seem to make sense to furlough. Definitelty see VILs as a possibility though.

I was kind of thinking the MEC Strategic planning meeting with Ted in Bendo was going be about 787 pay rates.


and then discussing distance learning pay for going over NAT and NOPAC routes.

I mean, you never know there could be something big in the works…TC did have some exciting news in case we are a standalone company in The Townhall..

these meetings actually happen quite frequently. I wouldn’t expect anything dramatic to come from
these. I also Can’t imagine they would furlough prior to the Appeal playing out

The smartest comment of this post👏.
FYI, the meeting is about VIL's!!!

Reuters lurking around here for news source.
 

Spirit pilots quitting is making the news

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/s...200640569.html

Last night I commuted home (on us) from a reserve assignment. The captain said he was 10 years and had just applied to United (lives in Denver).

Just applied? Silly guy should have applied long ago. JetBlue/Spirit combo never would have helped him living in Denver. I’m thinking hes just trying to not come across as stupid in front of his FO that’s got a class date else where. I hope this story is true though!
10 years out helps what? 80% of the list?
https://giphy.com/gifs/3sZlRwZfxAI8g

Who said the planes will be back in 2025. This is a multi year issue w the engines. It will peak at the end of 2024 w 40 planes down.

Further, excess capacity in the ULCC model is another major issue with profitability. Having all that extra capacity flying wouldn’t necessarily help our situation if people don’t want what we are selling or don’t want it at a price that is profitable at least.

The company has to evolve and it doesn’t sound like the leadership has any real plans

well I guess we're just f&4%#! then aren't we

Have to give people what they want. Getting yelled at by agents, waiting 30min for rampers and an hour in baggage claim isn’t what they want.

We're fine, we have the blessing of Judge Young

"People of Spirit, this one is for you!"

Now I see the irony in your username

YOU are the noise that needs to be cancelled

Seriously dude calm down and stop speculating, the sky isn't falling...yet