Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3786940)

I’m gonna guess you have no idea how many people “have” to fly Spirit. Would you be offended if someone called you poor? The majority in this nation don’t even make a 3rd of what you do. If you’re a pilot that is. Being part of the upper middle, can skew one’s view of what’s affordable.

Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3787038)

The point is, they don’t have to take spirit anymore, the legacy’s are matching them and offer service.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3786951)

Still not enough if that’s going to continue to be our target market. We need more people that buy tickets on airplanes to choose spirit. We don’t have that hence why we don’t make money. To get people to fly on us we have to sell tickets at a loss and hope to make it up scamming them with fees later. It’s not happening. Planes are fulliah but still not profitable. We need more demand so we can raise prices. Except when we raise prices demand goes down when you sell a garbage product. You have to make it up in customer service like southwest does. We think we can yell at people and have them waiting a half hour for a gate and an hour for their bags. Not going to work.

Originally Posted by Wk067781 (Post 3787169)

No, its over.

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres (Post 3787019)

Wonder why Ryan can’t die purely from customer dissatisfaction. Pilot discounting themselves seems to make up for it.

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3787167)

So if we get all of our jets to fly 24/7 how it used to be, will NK make profit?

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3787167)

So if we get all of our jets to fly 24/7 how it use to be, will NK make profit?

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3787219)

The model is flawed. You need to have a diverse product line like the legacies or be extremely efficient and heavy on customer service We don’t check any of those boxes. They’ve had 5 years now to tack and they’ve done nothing but blame outside circumstances

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3787219)

I don’t think so. We have upped our utilization back to about 13hrs which is where it was during the profitable days. This Pratt thing makes no difference now that they have a settlement. We don’t make money on the fleet that is currently flying at peak utilization

The model is flawed. You need to have a diverse product line like the legacies or be extremely efficient and heavy on customer service We don’t check any of those boxes. They’ve had 5 years now to tack and they’ve done nothing but blame outside circumstances

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3787276)

Not according to the DOJ & Judge Young

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3787296)

And they are clearly the dumbest most uneducated or misguided folks. They signed the death warrant bc they are incompetent.

Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3787268)

They probably couldn’t do much, they rely on folks that want to go the cheap route. It could be that the US market is just bad for the ULCC model. In Europe and Asia, ULCCs are like regionals where the pilots make like 3k a month. I think they rebrand and start full service or just get smaller and focus on profitable routes.

Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 3787392)

So NK was profitable when labor cost less?

Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 3787392)

So NK was profitable when labor cost less?

Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3788785)

Labor still costs less.