How long have you had a retirement account. Unless you bought individual stocks you should be well padded for retirement at 65 if you have been contributing 20+ years. If you havent been saving an extra two more years will not fix a career of not saving. Also no one says you have to take SS at 65, you can delay. Don't buy planes, boats, vacation homes, corvettes and other things pilots think they deserve but can't afford.

The financial decisions of a few should not dictate the future and livlihoods of thousands. ESPECIALLY with the potential for a significant number of pilots becoming unemployed. That is a nighmare scenario for anyone looking for a job, to create ZERO retirments for two years.

Something about this, the word choice...sounds like my non-pilot father talking to a non-pilot friend.

Never heard the phrase "lowered to FO"...would say "downgraded to FO or disaplced to FO"
Never heard someone say "flies as Captain"...would say "is a Captain"

Just interesting to me...thats all

You come across as old and out of touch with the current industry. I’m thinking those ‘121’ carriers were small nobodies. List them out and prove me wrong.

Stop counting other people's money

Not arguing with any of that.

Just pointing out that two years *does* in fact matter. Financial planners often tell their clients who come up short that the solution is to work an extra 1-4 years. Saying that two years does not matter is mathematically wrong.

Thread drift I know Rick but you seem pretty well versed in military strategery. So don't you think Putin will respond in a symmetric way and put short range missiles in Cuba, Venezuela, etc before just pushing the button? Genuinely curious what you think.

Stop trying to steal two years of progression from pilots. Where were all the pro 67 pilots when they were in their 30’s to 50’s. Not talking about how unfair having to retire.

Again with the uncertain future at spirit and the already announced furloughs raising the age is wrong.

Generally, most likely yes, modest escalation of some sort. But he's made some bad decisions in recent years so I'm less comfortable with relying on his rationality than I was in the past. Remember, Vlad is actually a moderate in RU, there are many folks well right of him (and right of Ghengis Khan) who have already advocated for the use of tactical weapons in UA. And he has to thread the needle between the hard-liners and NATO.

If nukes get used, it will be in UA at a tactical level and will most likely have the same result as the last two nukes that got used... immediate unconditional surrender, since UA's nuclear armed allies will not dare escalate.

I was also surprised that whoever is running the white house allowed this. I've been generally in favor of supporting UA with materials, if they want to keep fighting, but this wasn't necessary given the pending US regime change. Literally just poking the bear.

WOW.

Can't believe the way some folks respond to some questions with almost an attack!

First airline was Frontier (the Original Frontier which perhaps some people never heard about)
Was absolutely top notch and second to only Delta back then.
Squezed out by corporate sheningans into a total shutdown, with nothing left.
Couple of Furloughs as many of us had in the day also.

Complete start over several months later at Continental, which was slowly recovering from it's second bankruptcy.
Pay check here was about 1/3 of my old pay and minimal benefits.
Not a fun place back then.

Last was UPS.
Got 25 years out of this one and a real pension.
Yes, I am old.
72 years now and loving my life as a retired pilot with good success in my career.

One secret I'll share with the group here, is don't go after people that are just asking questions!

I hope people at Spirit can have a recovery like I was lucky enough to pull off.

And to "CincoDeMayo", here's this:
Phrases like "Flies as a Captain", "Is a Captain", "holds Captain senority", and probably a 100 other ways of stating something this, shouldn't really trigger a response.
Sorry the wording isn't perfect by your standards, but the point is still made.

A good friend was in charge of some of the pilot hiring at a very major airline.
One place several of you candidates, assuming you no longer have a job at your carrier or maybe you are brand new to 121 flying, would get tripped up at is the part where they ask you to show them your activities on social media like here.
They typically prefer people that go with the flow, not ones that stir things up.

Perhaps you might want to reconsider your ststements.

Anyway as said before, good luck everyone.

This has to be a troll. No way a 72 year old gets on APC still; well at least I hope not/should not. Show me your APC account during an interview at a ‘very major’ airline interview lol! I guess I’ll show em my only fans; bunch of perverts. Social media wasn’t a thing when ‘your friend’ was interviewing people 50 years ago. I’m serious; the mental image of a 72 year old cargo pilot(picture jimmy carter at his last birthday-cause cargo pilots age very well) warning me about having to show my APC posts at my next interview is killing me. I can’t take it; this is too damn funny. Beat it stupid!

WRONG CatPilot1 !!!!

I'm here because I mentor and Career Coach several upcoing pilots that have pretty high standards, and I like to know a few things that aren't in my normal circle of activities, so I seek out a few things here!

My guess is your attitude toward others, may prevent you from fully exploting your career options.

Never said my friend in the interview department was from 50 years ago.
It was 6-7 years ago for that conversation, and the policy still applies so better watch out.

My question was originally about what changes have been announced so far for the pilot force at Spirit, and there seems to be a tremendous thread creep here.
Thanks to the couple of folks that offered relavant answer to my questions!!!

CatPilot1 have a nice day and maybe you'll figure things out one day.
I'm not going to hang around and feed the fire here started by others.

Doesn’t the stock price go to zero and then removed from the stock market as part of the bankruptcy?

No.

Filler. Don’t feel like explaining it.

This is true.

just out of curiosity, what year did you get on with continental?

It's a seniroity system. I didn't ask for it. It just is. And the retirement limit is the only guaranteed way to get that movement that all of THEM enjoyed through their careers.

The compensation argument falls flat, because they too are making those high wages now.

"Somebody owes you something?"

Who owed those guys to work from 60 to 65?

Who owes them now to work from 65 to 67?


This started with a Delta pilot whose brother was a politician, who got 67 into some appropriations bill. You really want to talk about greed and entitlement?

Late 1986 thru Mid 1988!
Many of us weren't happy then.

UPS came along and off I went!!!

Noted!

Nice posting btw, it looks like you're well on your way to making tons of new friends here.

SAVE is now “SAVEQ” and trading at 15¢ a share currently.

but yeah, I thought it would be wiped out too, but I’m glad to hear that share holders still have some equity for what it’s worth.

It’s a little harder to place a trade since they’re now on OTC.

And it’s back.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news...retirement-age

Why don’t they worry about ATC retirement age first?

It was 100% obvious that the proponents would try again with regime change. It's possible now, but hard to say how likely. I'd guess less likely with Legacies opposed.

Maybe. I don’t remember where the airlines stood, just that 90+% of us were opposed to it when Alpa asked us to vote on it the first time.

Right?!?!?

A4A (Big Majors): Presumably Opposed ($ training churn)

RAA, NACA, NBAA: Presumably in Favor (slow the attrition to legacies, retain top pilots longer)

I don’t recall ALPA asking us our opinion on it. I do remember them telling me that I oppose it though.

ALPAs official position is they are against raising the retirement age from 65

There isn’t a pilot shortage or high demand as there was a few years ago when this came up. Like ALPA said earlier this year, “it’s a solution in search for a problem”.

Biggest issue is Thune is behind it, and he is the incoming majority leader. So hard to say how much pull he will have.

Yes ALPA is opposed and I applaud them fdor representing the vast majority of their members' preference on the issue. That's their job.

I don't want it to change until I turn 64.

They were opposed to 65 too. Then when it became obvious that it was going to pass, they suddenly were in support.

They had a reason to do that... a seat at the table so they could get some reasonable guard-rails baked into the legislation. Such as people under age 65 who had already retired were not entitled to return with seniority intact.

I was somewhat concerned this last time that they appeared to not be engaging the opposition... if the legislation had gotten through it might have been half-baked in some ways.

The way I remember last time alpa was opposed to 65 after a vote (that I participated in) failed something like 60-40. Then several legacies lost pensions. Another vote (that I didn’t participate in) passed. That’s why they were then in support. It was a while ago so I could be wrong?

They did and you do

This is just like the majority of the American working population saying I don’t get that pay, that benefit, that retirement. Unions are bad! Every time a union contract comes up in the news.

Just because we are facing a threat doesn’t mean we should point the gun at an ally.

I get older and these crotchety old *******s stay the same age

Again, I guess I missed where they alsed us the question, in order to determine “the vast majority.”

I do recall them telling me that I oppose it.

Again, you were surveyed and you do oppose it

I may oppose it, or I may not, but I was defintely never asked. Only told, but that’s the way ALPA works.

Again, you were asked. If you chose to delete the email that’s on you

😂 okay, skippy. Thanks for taking the ALPA stance of telling me what I do, and don’t, want. Along with what I have, and have not recieved. I’ll be sure to ask you and ALPA what else I need. Hey, can you tell me what date I was sent this email, and why it’s not in my ALPA folder of my email account? Thanks


Telling someone about their personal info is a good way of saying you’re a narcissist, without saying you’re a narcissist.