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Old 05-02-2026 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
Not only did he leave JetBlue in a far worse position, he managed to engineer the failure of Spirit as well. He may be responsible for taking down two airlines.

When every arm of the government that has influence over mergers is telling you “NO”, you listen. This is especially true when you’re already being sued by the DOJ for the last dumb idea you tried to pull off (NE alliance) under the wrong administration.

Instead Hayes torpedos a merger agreement with Frontier that was widely believed to have promise. He only needs to appeal to the greedy Spirit shareholders and start a proxy war.

The results are half in. Spirit is gone and JetBlue is considered next-up for chapter 11 as they burn through $3.5M daily.

Let Airbus know they’re North American CEO is a turd.
Yet he lost his job within a week or two after the failure of that plan....remind me again why TC got another year, and another bonus?
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Old 05-02-2026 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
While this is certainly true, they made the offer knowing who was in charge, knowing the political agendas of those individuals, and almost assuredly knowing the outcome.

That is remarkably poor decision making from the brass of both companies, in my opinion.
They may have known who was in charge, but I don't think they realized just how far the Biden administration would go to interfere with free market capitalism. Hard lesson to learn.
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Old 05-02-2026 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
NK pilots & other work groups were also extremely vocal in favoring the JB deal. I’m not sure how much that internal pressure influenced the final decision, but NK employees were loud about it, and ultimately very wrong.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
a lot of us were against the JB deal and nobody gives a rats ass what Labor wants. It was Greed that destroyed NK. Everyone slams Ted and he definitely made mistakes but he wasn’t wrong, should have voted in favor of F9. In the end the shareholders got what they deserved, nothing
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Old 05-02-2026 | 05:49 PM
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This was Robin Hayes plan all along. Cost them $500 million but helluva lot cheaper than the merger.......
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Old 05-02-2026 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
a lot of us were against the JB deal and nobody gives a rats ass what Labor wants. It was Greed that destroyed NK. Everyone slams Ted and he definitely made mistakes but he wasn’t wrong, should have voted in favor of F9. In the end the shareholders got what they deserved, nothing
I'm not convinced even that would have gone through. B6 was eliminating a low cost competitor to raise fares, F9 would have been monopolizing the market of low fare airlines in order to raise fares. When there is a zealous no merger mindset, then any argument could be made in court to block under 1890's legislation.
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Old 05-03-2026 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TAFsMatter
I'm not convinced even that would have gone through. B6 was eliminating a low cost competitor to raise fares, F9 would have been monopolizing the market of low fare airlines in order to raise fares. When there is a zealous no merger mindset, then any argument could be made in court to block under 1890's legislation.
maybe but there wouldn't have been the "leaked" memo from JB or Ted Christie on TV saying the merger would not be approved. It had a lot better of a shot than JB
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Old 05-03-2026 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Had Biden's DOJ and DOT stayed out of it, the merger would have gone through.
Had the DOJ ignored anti-trust laws, the merger would have gone through. I guess that’s what you mean.
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Old 05-03-2026 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
Had the DOJ ignored anti-trust laws, the merger would have gone through. I guess that’s what you mean.
lol, you have to be kidding. You don't think allowing Allegiant/SunCountry and HAL & AK "harms " passengers.
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Old 05-03-2026 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
maybe but there wouldn't have been the "leaked" memo from JB or Ted Christie on TV saying the merger would not be approved. It had a lot better of a shot than JB
Once the government files the lawsuit it is almost always going to be blocked. The DOJ has a pretty impressive success record. By your definition of anti-trust laws every airline merger in history would have been blocked. We both know the Trump DOJ would have never brought this lawsuit.
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Old 05-03-2026 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Once the government files the lawsuit it is almost always going to be blocked. The DOJ has a pretty impressive success record.
The laws are poorly written, often to the effect of "if any single consumer has to pay an extra nickel even once". Kind of like environmental laws that block major developments because some biology doctoral candidate decided some bug on the site is a distinct species from the billions of other virtually identical bugs in the area.

In many cases the judges are making calls that they don't want to make, but are bound by the letter of the law. At that point as a jurist your options are...

1. Judicial activism, start waving your wand and legislating from the bench (at least until you squashed by superior benches, or maybe arrested).

2. Uphold a bad law as written, and hopefully in the process send a message to the legislature that they have some more homework to do.
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