Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2099661)

I'm not suggesting they negotiate on a public forum. I'm not even suggesting they update us on a weekly or monthly basis. But how about you tell us what you're asking for?

Just tell us please that your asking for current (soon to be old) united rates. Tell us if you're asking for a DC and a 401k match north of 12%.
Or should they burn 3 more years of our time only to find they started with JB rates and a 10% 401k match.

Originally Posted by Rainbows (Post 2099647)

You guys are seriously deluding yourselves if you think a mediator is going to consider Spirit a peer of United, Delta or American. I hate to say it, because flying an Airbus is flying an Airbus, but we're gonna get a mediator that compares us to jetblue, virgin, southwest and frontier.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2099560)

Every Airbus operator in this country is our peer. Every single one is negotiating except for Frontier who is on a bankruptcy contract, and Ual and AA that both have 3 years left on their contracts. Those are the only current benchmarks available.

Originally Posted by sgt98c (Post 2099748)

So, peer comparison is based solely on airframe? What about size, multiple aircraft types including heavies, route structure, number of flights, finances and the effect on the national and/or global transportation system? And the biggie, previous contracts prior to concessions. I think that your view may be a little simplistic. Please don't take this as a personal insult. I'm only trying to maintain a discussion.

Originally Posted by sgt98c (Post 2099748)

So, peer comparison is based solely on airframe? What about size, multiple aircraft types including heavies, route structure, number of flights, finances and the effect on the national and/or global transportation system? And the biggie, previous contracts prior to concessions. I think that your view may be a little simplistic. Please don't take this as a personal insult. I'm only trying to maintain a discussion.

Originally Posted by gonyon (Post 2099682)

250 15 yr ca
123 3 yr ca

Gotta pay your dues sonny

Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2099793)

What? Year 1 at DL is $192 and $209 at 12. You mean we gotta pay our dues at Spirit then go to DL?

Or we expect a very steep slope here?

Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2099793)

What? Year 1 at DL is $192 and $209 at 12. You mean we gotta pay our dues at Spirit then go to DL?

Or we expect a very steep slope here? Probably this is what the NC thinks. Crap.

Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2099800)

Let me put on my "Circa 2008 Blinders" here... Ah. There we go.



*ahem*



"Everyone knows those 3 year Delta rates are phantom rates. It takes 12 years to upgrade at Delta, so everything less than 12 years is purely academic."



Blinders off.

Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2099793)

What? Year 1 at DL is $192 and $209 at 12. You mean we gotta pay our dues at Spirit then go to DL?

Or we expect a very steep slope here? Probably this is what the NC thinks. Crap.