Mob mentality
So after the PDX negotiations failed, the company releases lines today and everyone is crying wolf because they don't get turns and are going to be sent on multi day trips?
Think most of you don't realize this company before was an entire different animal, and that being one very sick animal financially. In comparison, we still have 20x more turns built into lines compared to other airlines. The whole "mob" mentality of pilots needs to stop. You want premium pay because you fly a big 737, fancy meals to fill your beer belly's and want to spend every night in your own bed. It's not going to ever happen. The Company cannot grow or attract any talent if the only base we have is MSP. If you want to be paid like any other major airline you need to operate like them too. |
That's a heck of a first post...
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Originally Posted by suncountry
(Post 2821573)
You want premium pay because you fly a big 737, fancy meals to fill your beer belly's and want to spend every night in your own bed.
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The Company cannot grow or attract any talent if the only base we have is MSP. If you want to be paid like any other major airline you need to operate like them too. Then there's PDX... Where to begin... The Company's "offer" to open PDX and displace pilots there in exchange for absolutely nothing was so atrocious even the arbitrator didn't know what to do with it. It was a transparently bad-faith effort, which is now appearing to have been engineered as a scapegoat to blame growth problems on rather than a sincere attempt at expansion. The June lines are a big middle finger to the pilot group and everyone knows it. We'll fly them, as professionals do. The C-suite can throw all the tantrums they like. I expect we're in for some more. I'll never understand how a company that flies aircraft can have such open disdain for the employees it counts on as much as the aircraft itself. It seems as though it would be beneficial to everyone if you saw to it they were taken care of. But, then I guess you wouldn't have letters from the Congressional Ethics Committee personally lambasting you for being a scumbag. That's world-class right there. |
Originally Posted by suncountry
(Post 2821573)
So after the PDX negotiations failed, the company releases lines today and everyone is crying wolf because they don't get turns and are going to be sent on multi day trips?
Think most of you don't realize this company before was an entire different animal, and that being one very sick animal financially. In comparison, we still have 20x more turns built into lines compared to other airlines. The whole "mob" mentality of pilots needs to stop. You want premium pay because you fly a big 737, fancy meals to fill your beer belly's and want to spend every night in your own bed. It's not going to ever happen. The Company cannot grow or attract any talent if the only base we have is MSP. If you want to be paid like any other major airline you need to operate like them too. |
LMAO! Relax gentlemen, it was just a joke. I was being sarcastic :rolleyes:
And no this is not Jeff:p or whoever you think it is. |
Originally Posted by suncountry
(Post 2822044)
LMAO! Relax gentlemen, it was just a joke. I was being sarcastic :rolleyes:
And no this is not Jeff:p or whoever you think it is. |
So for those of us watching from the sidelines, is PDX officially not happening?
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arbitrator did not arbitrate. going back to negotiations.
you should hear some of the things Jude said, i guess he really flew off the handle. |
This weeks update?
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I heard Jude came into ground school and thanked his pilots for making a crappy airline into a mediocre airline. He and the rest of management are clueless in the state of the industry. Apparently doesn't realize, if his mediocre pilots didn't sling metal down the airways, his existence would be meaningless.
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I think what we're seeing here is a kind of lashing out. The situation couldn't be more simple: Sun Country needs and intends to open more bases for expansion. Great. The contract presents hurdles to this that must be cleared. Okay. We are the lowest incentivized major/LCC in the United States. Do the math.
I think they're frustrated that it's such a foregone conclusion. They are working overtime to paint the most grim picture possible, so as to make any incentive seem worthwhile. It's like Negotiation 101. What they haven't accounted for is the comradare and morale of this place. Against all odds, it's good! For the most part, we enjoy our job, we like Sun Country and we get along very very well. This is an exceptionally well-meshed pilot group. So while management goes about feigning outrage, knashing teeth and flipping the table over the notion of not opening PDX we're all like "LOL ok whatever." We've seen worse. So, so much worse. Just open the stupid base and throw us a bone. It's a win-win. Enough already with the drama. |
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