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grumman41 11-29-2017 04:18 AM

KMDW clearance question?
 
Senario....KMDW atis says to expect RNAV Z to 22L. Your last clearance limit is STERE and 3000'. ATC is about two aircraft behind and being stepped on constantly. Upon reaching your limit what is correct? I could not get a reply from approach after several attempts.

Never had this into Midway...learning experience. Just trying to learn from this and get ahead the next time.

Thanks for your reply.

IDIOTPILOT 11-29-2017 04:55 AM

If you take the literal lost comm regulations, you enter holding at STERE until your ETA. :D

trip 11-29-2017 05:31 AM

Do what everybody else is doing.

grumman41 11-29-2017 06:26 AM

Thanks for the input....we where min separation and a Right turn for hold would have put us heading direct to the RJ behind us, same altitude(3000). Not sure that we really had "lost comm".

Probably not correct but most part 91 guys will turn in and start the "step downs", flying the approach as charted. Not familiar with 121 regs. I would think there would be a clear SOP(part 121) for this situation?

My mommy told me not to do what other people are doing......they may jump off a bridge.

galaxy flyer 11-29-2017 07:36 AM

Is this a real deal or a theoretical?

GF

sherpster 11-29-2017 08:17 AM

You said it yourself. If you Go into a hold then you will cause a potential mid air or at the very least a big mess for atc to fix. Keep going past the fix is my choice. Go on guard and make calls to atc if you are really worried about it.

joepilot 11-29-2017 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by sherpster (Post 2474119)
You said it yourself. If you Go into a hold then you will cause a potential mid air or at the very least a big mess for atc to fix. Keep going past the fix is my choice. Go on guard and make calls to atc if you are really worried about it.

I agree with transmitting on guard on the other radio. Perhaps you have had a transmitter failure or are on the wrong frequency.

Do the safest thing, which in this case is unlikely to be entering the hold.

Joe

DarkSideMoon 11-29-2017 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by grumman41 (Post 2474037)
Thanks for the input....we where min separation and a Right turn for hold would have put us heading direct to the RJ behind us, same altitude(3000). Not sure that we really had "lost comm".

Probably not correct but most part 91 guys will turn in and start the "step downs", flying the approach as charted. Not familiar with 121 regs. I would think there would be a clear SOP(part 121) for this situation?

My mommy told me not to do what other people are doing......they may jump off a bridge.

Were you on the pangg3? If so, read your chart.

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1712/00081PANGG.PDF

ToastAir 11-29-2017 02:20 PM

If indeed STERE was your clearance limit then you need to hold. If a clearance limit is issued you must be assigned an EFC or “no delay expected”. If you were cleared direct STERE, it is not necessarily a clearance limit.

sherpster 11-29-2017 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by ToastAir (Post 2474361)
If indeed STERE was your clearance limit then you need to hold. If a clearance limit is issued you must be assigned an EFC or “no delay expected”. If you were cleared direct STERE, it is not necessarily a clearance limit.

Excellent point.


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