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Old 11-29-2017 | 04:18 AM
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Senario....KMDW atis says to expect RNAV Z to 22L. Your last clearance limit is STERE and 3000'. ATC is about two aircraft behind and being stepped on constantly. Upon reaching your limit what is correct? I could not get a reply from approach after several attempts.

Never had this into Midway...learning experience. Just trying to learn from this and get ahead the next time.

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Old 11-29-2017 | 04:55 AM
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If you take the literal lost comm regulations, you enter holding at STERE until your ETA.
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Old 11-29-2017 | 05:31 AM
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Do what everybody else is doing.
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Old 11-29-2017 | 06:26 AM
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Thanks for the input....we where min separation and a Right turn for hold would have put us heading direct to the RJ behind us, same altitude(3000). Not sure that we really had "lost comm".

Probably not correct but most part 91 guys will turn in and start the "step downs", flying the approach as charted. Not familiar with 121 regs. I would think there would be a clear SOP(part 121) for this situation?

My mommy told me not to do what other people are doing......they may jump off a bridge.
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Old 11-29-2017 | 07:36 AM
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Is this a real deal or a theoretical?

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Old 11-29-2017 | 08:17 AM
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You said it yourself. If you Go into a hold then you will cause a potential mid air or at the very least a big mess for atc to fix. Keep going past the fix is my choice. Go on guard and make calls to atc if you are really worried about it.
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Old 11-29-2017 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sherpster
You said it yourself. If you Go into a hold then you will cause a potential mid air or at the very least a big mess for atc to fix. Keep going past the fix is my choice. Go on guard and make calls to atc if you are really worried about it.
I agree with transmitting on guard on the other radio. Perhaps you have had a transmitter failure or are on the wrong frequency.

Do the safest thing, which in this case is unlikely to be entering the hold.

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Old 11-29-2017 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by grumman41
Thanks for the input....we where min separation and a Right turn for hold would have put us heading direct to the RJ behind us, same altitude(3000). Not sure that we really had "lost comm".

Probably not correct but most part 91 guys will turn in and start the "step downs", flying the approach as charted. Not familiar with 121 regs. I would think there would be a clear SOP(part 121) for this situation?

My mommy told me not to do what other people are doing......they may jump off a bridge.
Were you on the pangg3? If so, read your chart.

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1712/00081PANGG.PDF
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Old 11-29-2017 | 02:20 PM
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If indeed STERE was your clearance limit then you need to hold. If a clearance limit is issued you must be assigned an EFC or “no delay expected”. If you were cleared direct STERE, it is not necessarily a clearance limit.
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Old 11-29-2017 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ToastAir
If indeed STERE was your clearance limit then you need to hold. If a clearance limit is issued you must be assigned an EFC or “no delay expected”. If you were cleared direct STERE, it is not necessarily a clearance limit.
Excellent point.
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