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thanks for the clarification on that everyone...I will have to dig some on the citation x tech info
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Your friends are probably getting confused with the requirement to have operable DME equipment above FL240.
Autopilots are required in RVSM airspace between FL290 and FL410, but not above or below. |
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 238264)
The autopilot must be on when IN CRUISE in RVSM airspace. There's nothing that prohibits your from handflying climbs and descents, or manually leveling out.
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Originally Posted by CL65driver
(Post 238568)
PHEW!!! Thanks for the clarification, Josh!! I was wondering why the fed on board my flight the other day wasn't screaming at me, until I read your post! :D
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Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 238569)
Why are you hand flying into the FL's with a fed on board? You should have George on so you can free up brain bytes as an extra measure to stay out of trouble. Maybe it's just me, but if I was your Capt that's what I'd expect you to do.
Worked fine, no fatalities! :D |
Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
(Post 238319)
...I will have to dig some on the citation x tech info
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awesome thanks for the info ! i was pretty sure it could ...guess it must be a rule or sop at someplaces
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I like your avatar, NJA Capt! Does the X have the same crap Honeywell system the ERJ has? Please tell me they went with the IC-1000s instead of the -600s!
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From AC 61-107A
a. The reduced weight of air moving over control surfaces at high altitudes decreases their effectiveness. As the airplane approaches its absolute altitude, the controls become sluggish, making altitude and heading difficult to maintain. For this reason, most airplanes that fly at above 25,000 feet are equipped with an autopilot. |
It's very interesting reading the discussion on hand flying on here.
I just talked to an instructor in my glider-club who flies for Lufthansa CityLine as a captain and is also a chief-pilot (I think) on the Canadair Fleet - definatly at least a training captain. I told him that I had spoken to pilots from the US and read on here that they would usually hand fly up until at least 10,000 feet or more. He immedeatly said that he as a captain would not allow a F/O to do so! He said, on rare occasions, OK, but not as a habbit... He said that company procedures where Autopilot ON at 600feet. I asked him why and asked if the hand flying skills didn't get lost. He said that you needed your absolute concentration for radio calls, freq. changes, traffic and monitoring the instruments. He said the "pilot not flying" would have WAY too much work if the PF hand flew the aircraft. Hand flying skills were trained on rare occasions that the do an entire flight "raw data" with a training captain for example. I have to say, I don't really think he was right - especially how harsch he was! He said that every pilot saying he would always hand fly up to 10,000feet was an idiot... (sorry guys, just quoting! Not my opinion anyway...:D;)) But what can I know - I mean, he is a highly experienced airline captain... What are your thoughts? Would you say this is just a different mentality in Europe? He said, especially around places like Chicago you would have to look out for traffic and couldn't possibly be hand flying... Whatever, I'd like to do it like you guys :p- one of the reasons I'm moving back to the States after school... Best regards, Jakob |
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