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Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 726442)

Sure it is important to have human involvement. However in the future that involvement will come from the ground as well.

Just think of what an anti-terrorist arrangement it would be to have planes controlled from the ground or sky.

Jim

Sky, a few posts back you offered some opinions on automation as facts and I asked to see the studies you were using. No comment? Or trouble finding those studies?

Congratulations!!

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Originally Posted by Planespotta (Post 726664)

Yup. Definitely sounds like presenting ideas and engaging in debate to me.

I just earned my commercial license, Sky, and have started looking for internships and employment. I'm in this battle just as much as the next man. And you still baffle me with your equivalence of accomplishments in the aviation industry to one's acquisition of common sense and basic knowledge about human nature.

Good job !! Congratulations on getting your commercial. Try attacking my position, not me.

SKyhigh

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Originally Posted by III Corps (Post 726666)

Sky, a few posts back you offered some opinions on automation as facts and I asked to see the studies you were using. No comment? Or trouble finding those studies?

I do not have a research staff to keep track of every article I have read or program I have watched. In the past when I have posted a source for a poster they then begin to question the validity of that.

If you have a question about my opinions or statements your choices are to search them for your self or to accept them. This is not congress.

Skyhigh

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 726683)

No it is not Congress but if I cite 'facts' as you have on automation, I would think you would be able to provide verification, if it exists. The obvious point is that without something to back your 'facts', it is mere opinion and it appears to be uninformed opinion at that.

Now that you are out of aviation and seem to think that you are free to espouse 'facts' without substance, you may inquire about a post at East Anglia University. They seem to share your attitude that what they say should be accepted without challenge.

What has been mentioned in studies is that automation most often lowers workload in areas where workload is already low and increases workload where workload is high. There is considerable debate as to how, if it does, automation reduces workload and numerous studies on Bhopal, 3 Mile Island, Exxon Valdez and others have shown that when automation fails, it often fails in unanticipated ways leading to considerable confusion. Automation, far from the answer, is more often just another tool in problem solving. It is far from some silver bullet as you opine. You can google Dr. Earl Weiner or Judith Orasanu, or Ute Fischer or Helmrich and others for more info.

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Originally Posted by hotshot (Post 726660)

I didnt read the entire thread, but latency is also a big problem when you are trying to control an airplane going 500mph with a signal delay of several seconds.

Cruise flight can be controlled via sat link from anywhere in the world, the latency is low enough to not be an issue if you are controlling a FD/AP.

But anything requiring stick and rudder skills (T/O, LDG, upset recovery) would need a direct LOS comm link. TO and LDG can be done by a remote pilot at the airport, but not upset recovery unless it occurs in the terminal area. This is a problem which is not going away...there is no technical solution for limitations imposed by the speed of light (which also governs how fast electronics can work).