Percentage RPM
#11
The limit isn't always 100%. The way I've always heard is 100% is the original design limit, and the other amount is what it can actually do. Say they upsize a turbine, it may bump the max limit from 100% to 105%.
Somewhat of an example: the original Space Shuttle engines were rated at 100% design thrust. Through a series of upgrades, they eventually gained some more power, allowing 104% of original design thrust continuous. This is the 'maximum power' that was used during climb.
Citation III's max N1 is 101.5%, the Dash-8 Q200 can go to I think 115% (we were limited to 105%) torque, etc. etc.
Somewhat of an example: the original Space Shuttle engines were rated at 100% design thrust. Through a series of upgrades, they eventually gained some more power, allowing 104% of original design thrust continuous. This is the 'maximum power' that was used during climb.
Citation III's max N1 is 101.5%, the Dash-8 Q200 can go to I think 115% (we were limited to 105%) torque, etc. etc.
#12
Normally a derated engine is a maintenance issue. You have an engine with the structure to produce X amount of power but you've limited it to say 85% of X. So it's not working as hard and there is less wear and tear.
It also helps on performance. Where a "normal" engine makes X amount of power on a standard day at sea level, it'll start dropping off on hot and high days. A derated engine has the ability to make it's derated power over a wider environmental envelope.
It also helps on performance. Where a "normal" engine makes X amount of power on a standard day at sea level, it'll start dropping off on hot and high days. A derated engine has the ability to make it's derated power over a wider environmental envelope.
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IIRC, the F100PW-100/220/229 motors (mostly F-15's) only go to 94% and N1 is only read. That's the maximum output of the motor at mil power. The turbine will not turn any faster unless....the "VMAX" switch is activated -100/220 only.
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The original -1 engine was designed to produce (to make up numbers) 2500# thrust at 100%. Airframe manufacturer "X" wants to build an aircraft which this powerplant would be appropriate the appropriate class for, but wants a slightly different TO thrust, or MCT, or Cruise thrust, or TBO. The engine manufacturer then looks at what changes might be required to obtain this performance.
Let's say the desired performance improvements are higher takeoff, climb, and cruise thrust, with a flat rating allowing standard day performance to 90 degrees F.
They may install a turbine with improved cooling characteristics to permit the flat rating for TO, and uprate the N1 RPM to obtain the desired MCT and cruise performance. As a result, the N1 redline would be increased.
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