The point isn't who should be doing that flying, it's that there's not only another thread going on about that topic, but it's a rather snide and childish remark in a thread that is ultimately dealing with major upheaval in the lives of 45 pilots. It has as much place as my comment about AMR and Eagle would have in an Eagle furloughing thread (which I hope doesn't come up).

Its also ironic, while our pilots are getting furloughed, Eagle pilots are taking over our STL routes with an addition of 14 daily flights in June alone... Im not going to rant or blame the pilots, but they really should get their facts right....

Might want to get a copy of the CPA, and read it, before making blanket statements.

Actually, selling Eagle is probably not going to happen due the limiting factors of their equipment and relatively higher seniority status among their pilot group. Divesting Eagle is an option they will likely proceed with.
It would allow Eagle to grow. Something they can not do while a wholly owned subsidiary since the APA scope restricts them to a percentage of APA flying. As a spun off company they could retain ALL current flying, and even expand.

That all being said, the word to stockholders was that all AMR owned aircraft will be flown by AMR employees, before the company furloughs a single employee. I read that to mean that they intend to take their planes back from subcontractors. Feel free to interpret it your own way.

Thank you, somebody see's the bigger picture. My read on the industry is that this is the tip of the iceberg. Delta owns Comair, NW owns their regional, USair own two small regionals... AMR owns Eagle... then there are the Republics, TSA, Mesa's and such who will fly in anybody's colors so long as the execs can make a buck and exploit low time pilots by giving jet jobs in exchange for low pay and slave conditions.

The Legacy carriers will expand their use of MULTIPLE regional feeders. Places like Comair, Eagle, Compass will find themselves being beaten up at the contract table by increased threats to transfer more flying to independant subcontractors for less money.

The sad thing is this. All this flying will get done anyway. IF the TSA, Mesa, Republics did not exist, the wholly owned regionals would simply expand to cover the flying. Higher paying jobs, better QOL, better benefits, and a slowing of the race to the bottom.

Have you bothered to read the CPA agreement or the arbitration in 2002 over the 10 airplanes?

When AMR bought TWA, the only reason TSA was retained in the first place, and didn't lose ALL AMR flying then, was because Eagle was already in maximum growth mode and unable to expand fast enough to meet the demand. The arbitrator ruled that because Eagle could not cover the flying, the lease of aircraft alone did not violate the scope section of Eagle's contract. The arbitrator ruled that had it been a transfer of equipment and routes it would have violated Eagle's contract.

By transfering the MIA flying from Eagle to TSA, AMR completed the exact scenario spelled out in the arbitration... the transfer of routes and equipment. The end result is immaterial at this point anyway, since AMR has taken the position that before they furlough any pilots, all AMR owned planes will by flown by pilots on an AMR pilot seniority list. Hence, the speculation of the ten planes being returned to Eagle.

Since the original reason given for keeping TSA as an AMR subcontractor was that Eagle could not expand fast enough to cover the flying.... and that AMR has decided to reduce capacity, I would expect EGL ALPA to include the return of all TSA flying to AMR Eagle in their negotiations. The AMR case of not being able to staff those routes no longer exists.

The handwriting was on the wall when AMR retained TSA after the TWA purchase. If that wasn't clear enough, then the 2002 decision should have made it obvious to anybody with even average intelligence. I am sorry TSA is furloughing... heck, I'm sorry that many airlines are furloughing. My read on this, since this is the TSA thread is that this furlough is the tip of the iceberg. Expect all AMR flying to be transfered, with associated cuts in personnel.

I fixed your post for you. :rolleyes: Lets not pretend that a wholly owned regional is better than one that is not.

but it is. don't act like those that aren't the same as wholly owned are the same as those that are. They undercut and make regional flying ten times worse

guys, seriously, there is another thread about tsa doing eagle flying for amr, can you keep it over there? mason specifically. people are having a hard enough time dealing with a furlough and probably don't want to read that stuff on this one. you guys really know how to turn a thread.

I just got furloughed from one of those two small regionals... but I wouldn't like to see TSA lose Airways flying to have me keep my job... I can do just about anything and come out even vs. first year pay.. and I don't know who's koolaid you been drinkin but republic's pay scale and work rules really don't compare badly to mine...

you're correct. Sorry.