How can a UAL furloughee be a scab for flying UAL express service? Make up a different word if you need to, but scab is an acronym for something else. Name an exclusive Trans states route. One that is operated by and belongs to Trans States Airlines, and nobody else. TSA has no leverage to negotiate, and you know it. A strike will hinder more than it will help, IMHO.

You're saying that a pilot that is on his/her 2nd furlough from UAL would be a scab if a regional pilot group of roughly 250 ppl were to strike, and said UAL furloughee continued to fly United work? You're mistaken. Especially since the union suggested the pilot go there in the first place.

The UAL pilots did choose to go to GJ, yes. The move to the "hiring express carrier" was organized by ALPA. Who's to blame? The pilots or the union for allowing such atrocity to take place? That's your call I suppose.

Try and take a step back and view this from a realistic point of view.

I gota see if I understand this right...you are saying that if TSA is released/strikes and that flying goes to GoJet...they arent scabs? Is that what youre trying to say?

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's United's flying, not Trans States'.

It is actually Trans States' flying, though. They were awarded the contract. If United goes on strike and GoJet and others are used to fill the routes, would those pilots still not be scabs? After all, they're United pilots.

This is the problem with scope relaxation. Once you sell it, it's theirs.

WOW. I just had to make sure I was understanding you correct before I went on a tirade. You cannot believe the things you are saying. First of all, if you fly struck work...you are a scab. End of story. Shuffling the flying over to another United carrier...its still struck work. Second, if what you are saying is correct...then what is the point of regionals belonging to a union? Mainline and regional management could whipsaw us endlessly until the work is being done for free OR pilots are actually paying to fly. we would have no job security at all. Do you really believe it should be that easy to replace labor? Youre sh-ttin in your own nest if you think thats true. We would have zero leverge while mgmt would have infinite leverage. We strike, they fire. Not legal bud.

What would be considered struck work then, if any regional carrier were to strike? That's the point I'm trying to convey. I agree with flying struck work creates a fresh scab, but determining the struck work is complicated, if not, impossible. ORD-STL legs aren't going to stop. Neither are hub/spoke routes to and from DEN, IAD...etc.

I'd be concerned that TSA pilots will be walking back and forth in front of an airport, dressed in full uniform (hat and coat included), holding a sign. Meanwhile, every few minutes, a white over blue airplane is going to muffle the sound of dissatisfied regional pilot voices, chanting in unison, asking for a better life. Do I hope that doesn't happen, and a strike is effective? Ab-so-f'in-lutely...... Whether or not my hopes come to fruition is sadly, in my humble opinion, a completely different story.

By that logic then every regional pilot is a scab for flying another airline's work...or wait maybe the major guys gave up scope and allowed the regional pilots to do that flying that was beneath them. If they gave them that flying, it's theirs by contract.

If you want to stick with your logic, then a regional like TSA that flies under 2 different majors would have to have both of those major airline pilot groups strike the specific flying that is done by TSA so that nobody else can fly it. If they're gonna do that, then they might as well strike and say the flying is theirs and that every regional pilot is a scab if they fly it. Oh wait, we're back to the fact that the major guys already gave up that flying. Your logic is flawed, ignorant, and ill-conceived. Embarrassing.

Your concerns there are valid but ALPA has proven to be very helpful in the past in determining what is struck work and what is not and warning people at other airlines which flights they should and should not operate. I bet some flights slip through the cracks but overall things should go smoothly.

TSA pilots could never be replaced in a timely enough fashion that would allow HK to honor their service agreements. No way, no how. There's not that kind of excess capacity currently available on the planet.

Let me know when the strike fund is set up. My check book is ready.

Don't be so sure of that. HK & Friends are capable of anything to screw the pilots. I've long said...If its good, its not true. If its bad, its true. But anyway you look at it...the flying we do is TSA flying. It is NOT United flying. United issued an RFP...TSA signed the contract...it becomes ours. Bernouli better stick with the logic of high velocity equals low pressure while low velocity results in high pressure because the logic that taking over TSA flying isn't flying struck work...thats not following good logic.