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mking84 06-09-2010 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 823810)
Don't be so sure of that. HK & Friends are capable of anything to screw the pilots. I've long said...If its good, its not true. If its bad, its true. But anyway you look at it...the flying we do is TSA flying. It is NOT United flying. United issued an RFP...TSA signed the contract...it becomes ours. Bernouli better stick with the logic of high velocity equals low pressure while low velocity results in high pressure because the logic that taking over TSA flying isn't flying struck work...thats not following good logic.

Trans States HOLDINGS signed the contract. Guys, as much as Im behind TSA pilots I do have to say that your predecessors have made your bed, now you have to lie in it. Hulas will do anything he can to get what he wants, this is proven and is the ONLY reason blowjets exists. If he shifts HIS flying over then its his to do so with. Since when to GoJet pilots worry about being a scab or flying struck work? They were created for that very reason. My .02, TSA Alpa had the chance to prevent GoJets creation and didnt, they stood on principle, which is noble, but it screwed them in the end.

Flame away.

SkyHighHobo 06-09-2010 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 823810)
Don't be so sure of that. HK & Friends are capable of anything to screw the pilots. I've long said...If its good, its not true. If its bad, its true. But anyway you look at it...the flying we do is TSA flying. It is NOT United flying. United issued an RFP...TSA signed the contract...it becomes ours. Bernouli better stick with the logic of high velocity equals low pressure while low velocity results in high pressure because the logic that taking over TSA flying isn't flying struck work...thats not following good logic.

No way, no how.

There's aren't enough legal crews and airframes.

Period.

minimwage4 06-09-2010 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 823817)
Trans States HOLDINGS signed the contract. Guys, as much as Im behind TSA pilots I do have to say that your predecessors have made your bed, now you have to lie in it. Hulas will do anything he can to get what he wants, this is proven and is the ONLY reason blowjets exists. If he shifts HIS flying over then its his to do so with. Since when to GoJet pilots worry about being a scab or flying struck work? They were created for that very reason. My .02, TSA Alpa had the chance to prevent GoJets creation and didnt, they stood on principle, which is noble, but it screwed them in the end.

Flame away.

I really doubt that they would scab for this, I'm 99% sure that most hate their job. No way would they sacrifice their career for Gojet. I mean yes gojet is deffintaly a shady operation but they are not scabs.

minimwage4 06-09-2010 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 823560)
Today's GJ pilots are also [ironically] today's legacy pilots as well. If anybody truly cared, ALPA wouldn't allow an ALPA carrier (UAL) to outsource to such an airline, not to mention supply GJ with furloughed pilots from the major carrier. There's no such thing as flying belonging to a regional airline.
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They haven't scabbed yet though. If they do then even the United guys would have nowhere to hide. And yes, the routes are from United but it is TSA flying under a contract. And United pilots wouldn't be scabbing, gojet pilots would so it makes no difference anyways.

Copperhed51 06-09-2010 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 823817)
Trans States HOLDINGS signed the contract.

I haven't seen the contracts for the flying so I can't argue this point but now I'm curious. Who signed the contract for the flying, TSA or TSH? Anybody 100% sure?

mking84 06-09-2010 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHighHobo (Post 823820)
No way, no how.

There's aren't enough legal crews and airframes.

Period.

That's right... You got uncle hooley on that one!

If that's you attitude then you will be shocked when it happens. That's the same " they'll never create an alter ego so stick it to em" attitude that has landed you guys in a deeper hole than before. I'm behind you guys but realities of this situation are not so good.

DryMotorBoatin 06-09-2010 11:21 AM

mking is right. i dont think it would bother them one bit to take on our flying.

hslightnin 06-09-2010 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 823875)
mking is right. i dont think it would bother them one bit to take on our flying.

I think you mean, i dont think it would bother them one bit to take more of our flying.

DryMotorBoatin 06-09-2010 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 823879)
I think you mean, i dont think it would bother them one bit to take more of our flying.


haha well that was kind of the point i was trying to hint around at. ill be the waterskier who says that was partially our fault...as mking84 said...our precedessors made our bed. hes exactly right. but if we strike in hopes of improving quality of life and they take the flying...i think they would do so in a second.

BYUFlyr 06-09-2010 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 823615)
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's United's flying, not Trans States'.


Let's be clear on this GoJet and Trans States Holdings issue.... I'll refer to the definition of a SCAB from the Spirit Airlines Scab Website:

SPIRIT AIRLINES INC. SCABS
A. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot with a date of hire (DOH) between June 12, 2010 and {future date unknown} (a.k.a. "replacement worker") is automatically a SCAB.
B. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot with a DOH prior to June 12th, 2010 that crosses the picket line and has been confirmed to have operated a Spirit aircraft during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
C. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot, or other certificated pilot, that willfully operates aircaft for an alter-ego company, specifically for the purpose of operating Spirit Airlines' aircraft and/or its scheduled routes, during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
D. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot that crosses the picket line and has been confirmed to have operated a Spirit aircraft during a period of lawfully "struck work," or that "crawls back" sometime after the strike has started, due to family crisis issues; i.e. you're about to lose your house; to feed your family; your kid gets cancer and you need the money to pay for treatment; or any other case however extreme, is still a SCAB.
E. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot that is in training, ground-schoool, I.O.E., or on probation, with or without a DOH, that operates a Spirit Airlines, Inc. aircraft specifically for the purpose of operating its scheduled route during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
F. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. unionized ALPA management pilot, (i.e. Chief Pilot, Director of Operations, Director of Training/Safety, etc.) that operates a Spirit Airlines, Inc. aircraft specifically for the purpose of operating its scheduled route during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.

That's pretty cut and dry to me....


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