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Nevjets 03-22-2017 05:49 PM

Act now: Tell congress safety is at stake
 
ALPA is asking all pilots to join our Call to Action urging Congress to maintain the current minimum first officer qualification rules to ensure safety for the U.S. airline industry.
The best and most important safety feature of any airline operation is a well-trained, highly experienced, and qualified professional pilot. With a solid foundation of training and experience, pilots are essential in maintaining the safety of our system and ensuring that aviation safety continues to advance. Several regional airline accidents from 2004 to 2009 identified numerous training and qualification deficiencies that ultimately led to Congressional action (P.L. 111-216) and regulatory changes that significantly improved aviation safety.
Some industry representatives who had initially been very supportive of the regulations have since become critical and are now arguing that they have created a pilot shortage and, worse, are urging Congress to take action that would weaken, or eliminate altogether, many of the key components of the first officer qualification and training rules issued in 2013óreverting back to an environment that contributed to 31 airline accidents cited by FAA. That is not in the public's interest.

serthwrmtym 03-22-2017 06:05 PM

Except that the 1500 hour rule has nothing to do with safety.

rickair7777 03-22-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by serthwrmtym (Post 2327109)
Except that the 1500 hour rule has nothing to do with safety.


Better than nothing.

At least it filters out a few dooshy ADD slackers who don't have the attention span to wait more than six months to get into an airliner.

tcco94 03-22-2017 06:08 PM

You aren't ready to be an airline pilot at 250 hours.

The 1500 hour rule sucks when you're the one building time but once you're done you realize, yeah I wasn't ready. No way. Unless your ego is high and unrealistic.

Duesenflieger 03-22-2017 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 2327118)
You aren't ready to be an airline pilot at 250 hours.

The 1500 hour rule sucks when you're the one building time but once you're done you realize, yeah I wasn't ready. No way. Unless your ego is high and unrealistic.

+1111111111

We have a winner here....

Pedro4President 03-22-2017 06:23 PM

I think most would agree that 201.5+50 FTD is too little and 1500 is a bit excessive.

The negative with the 1500 is guys with time and DUIs, high fail rates, incidents and FAA violations are getting looked at and hired because of the lack of 1500 hr guys with a clean record and very little bust.

Duesenflieger 03-22-2017 06:34 PM

Part 135 IFR minimums require 1200 hours TT. Aviation university graduates can gain employment with less than that at 1000 hrs TT. How much lower should it go, pray tell?

AZFlyer 03-22-2017 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 2327118)
You aren't ready to be an airline pilot at 250 hours.

The 1500 hour rule sucks when you're the one building time but once you're done you realize, yeah I wasn't ready. No way. Unless your ego is high and unrealistic.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2327133)
I think most would agree that 201.5+50 FTD is too little and 1500 is a bit excessive.

The negative with the 1500 is guys with time and DUIs, high fail rates, incidents and FAA violations are getting looked at and hired because of the lack of 1500 hr guys with a clean record and very little bust.

I don't think you'll see many airline pilots agree with you that 1500 is a bit excessive. Bean counters on the other hand, they absolutely would agree.

tcco94 03-22-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2327133)
I think most would agree that 201.5+50 FTD is too little and 1500 is a bit excessive.

The negative with the 1500 is guys with time and DUIs, high fail rates, incidents and FAA violations are getting looked at and hired because of the lack of 1500 hr guys with a clean record and very little bust.

You can get 1000 hours instructing in 1 year so anyone complaining that it "takes too long" is probably picking QOL as an instructor over building time. Which is totally understandable, but really you should get at least 1 year experience under your belt as a true PIC before hoping into passenger jets.

1000 hours for college grads is perfect, even though the training they receive really isn't THAT much better than a 61/141 school. (and that comment comes from someone who got an aviation degree with a R-ATP)

Anything over 1000 is a little bit extra but really is does no harm. Also, nothing will be done to stop a DUI or high failures from getting through the industry in todays world with retirements. I've met some good pilots though with 4+ failures and I've met guys with 10+ years after their DUI that learned from it and are actually great guys. Don't be quick to judge. I think most airlines do good jobs of weeding out at interviews or in training, but then again you're right....someone else will pick up the tab at another regional if you fail out/don't get picked. I won't post names but we all know what airline.

Nothing Congress can do about that.

aviatorpr 03-22-2017 07:05 PM

1500 has helped create a shortage in the regional sector. That has led to compensation improvements. Let's not take another step backwards.


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