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02-04-2019, 03:21 PM

#211

Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by FL370esq

Denny is one of the most reasonable and fair-minded guys you will find in this forum. It kind of makes you look "less than compelling."

Thanks. I appreciate the acknowledgment. I try to be, as you say, fair minded.

Denny

02-04-2019, 03:31 PM

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badflaps

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Thanks. I appreciate the acknowledgment. I try to be, as you say, fair minded.

Denny

The ones you worry about. You just don't know when they are going to the garage and get the axe.

02-04-2019, 04:16 PM

#213

Cogf16

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Just wow! If he lied about that......what else will he lie about? I certainly don't want someone as the MC of the national union that lies to someones face.

Denny

I agree. there should be extreme consequences if this is true. How can we trust him?????

02-04-2019, 05:54 PM

#214

Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by badflaps

The ones you worry about. You just don't know when they are going to the garage and get the axe.

I prefer a chainsaw........

Denny

02-04-2019, 06:23 PM

#215

TonyC

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

So... as the OP, I think I have a certain obligation to defend at least MY perspective on this.

You know me. You know that I just don't throw rocks at ALPA like some of the respondents. I started this thread (and the one on UAL) to try to get some answers to the RUMORS that were out there. What I didn't count on was a bunch of snowflake respondents that acted like I was questioning their very manhood and shooting their dog in the process. Both sides of this issue have acted like a bunch of 12 year old girls. It took way over 10 pages to get ANYONE that actually answered the question about the retirement. Everyone else acted like there was something nefarious or sour grapes or some other bull**** going on. I guess living in the dark about any of this is much better than even simply asking the question... at least according to the responses it received.

I'm sorry, but I have to raise the BS flag on this claim to innocence. "I was just asking a question, and everyone else is acting like a little girl!" Yeahrite. You do realize your posts are still here, with time stamps, for anybody to read, right?

Like your first one, on the United Forum:

02-01-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I'm a Delta guy. I was wondering where the UAL guys are coming down on this whole Joe DePete thing.

The first response was (paraphrasing) "Uh, what's the Joe DePete thing? " No, wait, that was not a paraphrase, that is a direct quote.

Rather than give a direct answer, you chose to stir the pot.

02-01-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I started to write a whole thing about it, then decided against it. Please, take a moment and call your rep... right now... and ask them.

In your, "I'm innocent, y'all are acting like little girls" post, you claim you were just trying, "... to get some answers to the RUMORS that were out there." Funny, that's not the question you asked. Instead, you asked, ... let me see if I can find that reference ... oh, yeah, it's right there above ... you asked, no you wondered "... where the UAL guys are coming down on this whole Joe DePete thing," but you played too cool to actually articulate what "this whole Joe DePete thing" even was.

An honest person, not intending to stir up trouble or smear with innuendo, would have started by stating, "I heard that Joe DePete, our new ALPA President, retired from FedEx. What do you UAL guys think about that?"

You didn't get an answer in 2 minutes, so you brought the topic here to the DELTA Forum.

02-01-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I think this needs it's own thread.

Were you still looking for the answer to what the UAL guys thought about it? Not likely.

So, back the UNITED thread, when nobody seemed to know what you were alluding to with your vague posts, you slammed them for not knowing.

02-01-2019, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Your rep will know. I would be interested to see what they are saying about it.

Wait. If you're interested in what a UAL rep is saying about it, why don't you ask a UAL rep instead of asking vague questions on an anonymous internet forum. It seems I saw someone giving advice about getting information from anonymous website vice a reliable source not that long ago. Oh, wait, it was YOU! In your VERY NEXT POST!

02-01-2019, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Yep. It sounds like you are uninformed but would rather gather information from an anonymous website than from the horse's mouth. I really don't care whether or not you report back.

The thing is that I have discovered that this is remaining very quiet at this point in time.

Anyway, back to the DELTA Forum, after a handful of puzzled responses, you finally spit out your first direct question:

02-01-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Would you be happy with him continuing as your ALPA president if he has resigned from FDX? He is no longer a pilot. There are other issues involved that I really wish you would look into for yourself.

So, let's just pause here and review your claim that you were just trying, "... to get some answers to the RUMORS that were out there."

What rumors, and what questions did you ask? None. The only question you asked is what do some people (UAL reps) think, and would you (reader of Delta forum) be happy? Those questions won't elicit answers to rumors, but your admonition to "really look into" the "other issues" certainly helped smear and taint if not propagate new rumors.

So, back to the UNITED Forum. You still haven't spit out a direct question, and the posters are still wondering what you're talking about, so you played the "You are ignorant" card:

02-01-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

So you are willfully going to remain ignorant.

Got it.

Hopefully somebody will take 2 minutes out of his busy web browsing afternoon and research it.

I'm surprised they didn't flock to you with endearing responses, heaping laud and praise upon your wisdom and insights. Actually, the response was just the opposite, so you attributed your coyness to non-anonymity.

02-01-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Nope. Not at all. I just don't want to post alleged details on an 'anonymous' web site. (It ain't anonymous)

Maybe it became more anonymous before your next, quite detailed post:

02-01-2019, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I don't know anything about that. I don't GAS about National politics as I am not in any way involved. However, I am just a little miffed that 1) He 'retired" right after taking the job. 2) He deferred his FDX retirement (allegedly) so that he will be able to double dip at the ALPA fund.

Legal? Yeah probably. But the optics aren't good.

I have no agenda against the man because he came from somewhere other than Delta. I couldn't tell you where ANY of the national officers are from. I do not care. And I just heard about this today. If you are good with this kind of thing, then please scroll on. I think it is pretty low if true though.

And the reason that I wanted people to call their reps was not to be all 'cloak and dagger', but to find other confirmation than internet rumors. Sorry to have brought it up. I guess it's all good.

Yeah, sure you're sorry to have brought it up. Typical rumormonger.

The most generous (and politically correct) way to describe your claim of innocence here is disingenuous. Guess what. We're not that stupid.

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02-04-2019, 06:38 PM

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ChecklistMonkey

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What Tony said.

An appropriate and leveled thread would have been: "Hey guys. Did you hear the ALPA President retired 1 day into his term from FDX? What do you think about that?"

Instead, you thought you were throwing a match into a room full of Hydrogen. And when it didn't light, because most people don't care that he retired, you got angry and lashed out. You tried filling the room with hydrogen and when the angry mob still didn't explode, you turned on everyone and insulted them for not thinking like you. Classy.

02-04-2019, 07:02 PM

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TonyC

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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey

What Tony said.

An appropriate and leveled thread would have been: "Hey guys. Did you hear the ALPA President retired 1 day into his term from FDX? What do you think about that?"

Funny. That's exactly what HuggyU2 said back in Post #39:

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2

James,
Why didn't you just start the thread by posting "Joe DePete resigned from Fedex. Not sure why. But he plans to remain as ALPA Chairman. Discuss."

His reply:

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Because I don't like to 'gossip'.

... followed by calling everyone uninformed and thin-skinned.

Yeah.

Sure.

And we're super-super-stupid, too, if we believe that.

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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey

Instead, you thought you were throwing a match into a room full of Hydrogen. And when it didn't light, because most people don't care that he retired, you got angry and lashed out. You tried filling the room with hydrogen and when the angry mob still didn't explode, you turned on everyone and insulted them for not thinking like you. Classy.

Yupp.

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02-04-2019, 07:02 PM

#218

2StgTurbine

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No one has explained why it is bad that the President of ALPA is retired.

02-04-2019, 07:29 PM

#219

TonyC

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Flytolive

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I'll bet the method of ALPA retirement hasn't been looked at since half of us went thru bankruptcy.

You'd be wrong, again. It is evaluated at least every two years at the BOD and experts are engaged to study it between BODs and Executive Council meetings. Your reps disagree and you in all likelihood aren't qualified to be the ALPA President.

Dude, seriously why are you so butthurt about this? It's an anonymous webboard and people are expressing opinions. And MY reps... one of them at least... is unhappy with the compensation model.

You bet the method of retirement hasn't been looked at -- he refuted your bet with a pesky little thing called a FACT. Look who's butthurt.

So, how did your Rep vote on the BOD Resolution establishing DePete's compensation, including retirement?

[HINT: Don't ask on an anonymous webboard. Ask your rep.]

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02-04-2019, 07:54 PM

#220

deadseal

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Ian Fleming has been around for awhile. This dude is the king of flamebait and then posing innocence or at least righteous indignation. Reference the entire TA1 and TA2 discussions. He will not answe your questions, he will attack. Pretty standard in today’s world I guess