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captjns 09-24-2007 03:05 PM

More dissatisfied ALPA customers?
 
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...2-pilots_N.htm

Interesting read

MikeB525 09-24-2007 04:20 PM

Seems like the big problem is the fight between the junior AWA pilots and the until-now furloughed USA pilots. Seeing as all have been recalled and the company has plans to begin off the street hiring, it seems to me that it's now a nonissue. Doesn't matter who gets the bottom of the totem pole, they'll move up soon enough anyway when the new hires come on board.

Just seems like they're in-fighting over a now-irrelevent issue, rather than just working collectively to get their bankruptcy concessions back.

BoilerUP 09-24-2007 05:08 PM

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Pilots from the former US Airways felt they got the short end of the deal. They said America West pilots were given equal footing with US Airways pilots who had more years of service.
God forbid East pilots become EQUAL to West pilots...

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Meanwhile, pilots from the former US Airways are suing the Air Line Pilots Association in hopes of overturning the arbitrator's seniority award. And Bradford's group is trying to replace ALPA altogether.

If he succeeds, Bradford said he would take another look at seniority.

"It would be revisited," he said. "We're not bound by that award."
I guess we'll all just see about that...

SCRWDbyMGMT 09-24-2007 10:22 PM

There has also been a beginning of a "Dump ALPA" process at UAL. And, as many of us are praying for a dump ALPA at NWA.

I have paid ALPA over $30,000 in dues. And, I am now monetarily worse off than I was 15 years ago.

Why am I paying ALPA dues again??

RobLAX 09-24-2007 10:35 PM

They don't do much for anyone.

captjns 09-25-2007 01:02 AM

It would be far better is all pilots of all carriers could form one national union with at least common benefits, QOL for all. I can understand the pay issue being negotiated on an airline by airline basis. The one-country-one pilots union works quite well in other countries. I know that ALPA, Teamsters and other entities would fight against this do to the loss of revenue base.

BoilerUP 09-25-2007 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SCRWDbyMGMT (Post 236527)
There has also been a beginning of a "Dump ALPA" process at UAL. And, as many of us are praying for a dump ALPA at NWA.

I have paid ALPA over $30,000 in dues. And, I am now monetarily worse off than I was 15 years ago.

Why am I paying ALPA dues again??

I notice both your posts are anti-ALPA.

Your screen name is SCRWDbyMGMT....not SCRWDbyALPA.

SCRWDbyMGMT 09-25-2007 08:43 AM

I'll speak slowly so that BoilerUp can understand. I was, and continue to be, SCRWDbyMGMT. Now, it seems to me that If I wasn't getting SCRWDbyMGMT then my representative Union would be doing it's job. However, since I am currently being SCRWDbyMGMT, then it seems logical to assume that my representative union is not doing their job. In fact, I know I've read this somewhere, all ALPA pilots (and non-ALPA) have suffered massive career degradation. So, I think it is safe to assume that all ALPA pilots have been SCRWDbyALPA.
Of course, if BoilerUp is happy with the status quo, please pass him another glass of Kool-Aid.:rolleyes:

hjs1971 09-25-2007 09:15 AM

I was a former Midway CRJ guy, who was senior to almost every 737 copilot and I got laid off in complete violation of our contract and the seniority order thanks to my great bro's at ALPA who stood up for me like I would stand up for Osama bin Laden. Not a big ALPA fan but they are the same as every airline pilot union, run by the senior captains that dont really care too much about the little guy, it is what it is...

BoilerUP 09-25-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SCRWDbyMGMT (Post 236715)
I'll speak slowly so that BoilerUp can understand. I was, and continue to be, SCRWDbyMGMT. Now, it seems to me that If I wasn't getting SCRWDbyMGMT then my representative Union would be doing it's job. However, since I am currently being SCRWDbyMGMT, then it seems logical to assume that my representative union is not doing their job. In fact, I know I've read this somewhere, all ALPA pilots (and non-ALPA) have suffered massive career degradation. So, I think it is safe to assume that all ALPA pilots have been SCRWDbyALPA.
Of course, if BoilerUp is happy with the status quo, please pass him another glass of Kool-Aid.:rolleyes:

You work for NWA, right? Just how powerful do you expect your union to be when it is subject to your company's bankruptcy proceedings? What specifically did you expect from them then and what do you expect from them now? Do you honestly think any other union could have served you better under those circumstances?

True, all ALPA pilots shave suffered massive career degradation...but have all concessionary agreements not been ratified by a majority of the pilots that actually make up ALPA? Is it fair to lay blame solely upon the leadership instead of the pilots that approved those concessionary agreements?

I understand that ALPA is made up of PILOTS, many of whom have unrealistic expectations about collective bargaining and won't take ownership of their own situation. These are often the same who unfairly blame others when they should be shining the spotlight brightly upon themselves and their own pilot group.

No need for biting sarcasm...but if it makes you feel better, by all means go ahead.:rolleyes:


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