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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 440198)

Or is it viewed the JCBA corrects the "mistake" of LOA 19 and the FACT that your MEC decided not to join in while the time was truly right?

Hmmm...I agree, it was a nice agreement. All we had to do is add in the SLI/arbitration part and it was a done deal. But there was something about Moak refusing to even consider it...strange, because that is EXACTLY where we wound up.

We all could have had a better deal had the DAL MEC simply agreed to in February what they agreed to for the JPWA/TFA. Water under the bridge, I guess.

Nu

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 440465)

We all could have had a better deal had the DAL MEC simply agreed to in February what they agreed to for the JPWA/TFA. Water under the bridge, I guess.

Nu

Really? With the top 500 slots for NWA guys, and the bottom 2,000 for DAL guys? Sounds like a great idea. Good luck in arbitration, dude.

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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff (Post 440464)

I'm sure the company would be more than happy to take back your very substantial pay increases in return for very minor QOL issues.

My bare ass it's about "QOL and not pay" at NWA. How do you account for your bickering, green book, and absolute irrationality, for starters? I'm pretty sure isn't about a better sick leave policy.

Last time I checked, I couldn't pay for my kid's braces with a "call in honest" policy. Maybe it's different in Detroit. Although I guess since you have your pension in tact, money is only a secondary concern.

Spliff,

This just shows how completely out of touch with the NWA group you are.

Irrational because we wouldn't trade seniority for pay?

Irrational because we LIKE having a cap on health cost increases from year to year (increases that makes those braces expensive)?

Irrational because our sick bank system works VERY well and that some pilots have a significant accrued benefit??

I'm not sure about the bickering part or greenbook part. Everyone over on this side is WELL able to separate out the contract from the SLI issues. Everyone over here also understands that voting down one won't prevent the other. And it's UNIVERSALLY agreed that a BAD SLI isn't worth one penny of pay, pay that can be removed with a stroke of a pen.

If you think that those hard earned provisions in the contract don't come at a SIGNIFICANT cost to the company, then you truly do have a poetic concept of the truth. See which the company is more likely to give up: A few bucks in pay or a 13 hour hard cap on the duty day.

Nu

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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff (Post 440469)

Really? With the top 500 slots for NWA guys, and the bottom 2,000 for DAL guys? Sounds like a great idea. Good luck in arbitration, dude.

Just because that's written on the lav wall in ATL doesn't make it true.

Nice try, though.

Nu

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 440465)

Water under the bridge, I guess

I think that about says it all. I think we would all be better served to just leave it at that. The he said/she said isn't gonna make us any better friends, and will probably result in more bitterness... even though you guys were WRONG!!! :D:D Relax... I'm kidding... I'll just be glad when this garbage is over and we can go back to fighting the real enemy.. management.

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 440460)

Heyas Bograt,

It's because the perception is that DAL guys don't read the contract past section 2 (compensation) and it's as if you guys measure the size of your John Thomas by the amount on your W-2.

Over on the NWA side, it's more about QoL and other non-pay rate issues. Sick pay, DC contribution, insurance, max duty day, minimum rest, reserve days, premium pay, instructors/training, call-in-honest/jumpseat, etc.

We've tried to point out some of these things, but all any of the DAL guys want to do is look at the W2 and shout "windfall! windfall!", when it is, in fact, close to a push.

Since there was no constructive dialog going on, we decided to wash our laundry in private. But don't blame us if you hang dirty skivvies on the line outside, and we point to it.

In reality, I'd MUCH rather have the NWA PWA with raises/tweaks than the DAL contract with the JPWA. That option was not presented to me (yet), so I will vote on the option that WAS presented to me, which was a good alternate.

Nu

Evidently your MEC didn't agree with you, as they settled on the (DAL negotiated) virtual LOA19 terms after only (a record, I'm sure..) TWO WEEKS!! Your insistence that it is "close to a push" is just that--YOUR insistence--no other NWA poster I've seen has implied that your old contract and the new JPWA is a "push". Nuguy, neither you (nor your airline) can take the credit for the noticable improvements (that your side, in particular) received in the JPWA---so you have to insist that it is "not that good of a deal"----Yet you defend it slavishly to the DAL pilots......but we don't believe you because you say it is a "push" with your OLD contract....Imagine how much more we would oppose this contract if it were actually "a push, or roughly equivalent" to your old contract....Your psychology reminds me of what was said about Ted Kennedy in the 1980 presidential elections: "Ted Kennedy doesn't want to be President of the United States--he just doesn't want anybody else to be President of the United States"