Alpa = Useless
 

Alpa sold out the Spirit Pilots period....No stock options...loss of time and half for overtime...90 hour schedules...NO PAY PARITY...no retro for 4 years of no raises...

I will donating my 2 percent to charity....

Right On!
 

I could have told you that! Anyone who thinks ALPA is a 'union' isn't looking at it hard enough---it is a BIG business, about profits and exploitation, nothing more.

Yeah, but the kids love them!

At least I got to hang out with my friends in the 90+ heat for a pay-free week. I'll never see Federal and Griffin the same way again **GOOD TIMES**! There were actually two winners with this strike, Spirit Airlines and Dockers. Boy are they going to miss our cash.

Oh yeah, I got an ALPA tie, and was promised the all impressive "battle star" pin. I don't care much for the name, its a little melodramatic, but for the analogy's sake, this one is more of the ALPA purple heart, than battle star.

You wont see me wearing it. Who wants to commemorate a huge failure? Maybe they will start awarding 709 ride pins too. Those should be easy to pass now that they negotiated more sim time for such things.

Oh well, we'll get'em next decade. CONTRACT 2019 Wa-Hoo!

ALPA is a association. Spirit is the union. Your negotiating committee and your MEC made the choices to accept or reject the contract. Your pilot group will also vote to reject or accept the contract. Vote as you see fit. ALPA wont vote for you.

True, but when the ALPA attorney answers a question on a conference call pertaining to what happens if the TA is not ratified, by saying 'I don't really know', that is fear mongering. How could two of ALPA's best not know what happens if a TA is voted down during self-help? I'm not a big history buff, but I'm sure that we are not the first pilot group in this situation.

They said it is a gray area? Uncharted waters?

How about the MEC makes a contingency plan with the company via LOA in case the TA fails? Something like both sides agree, in the case the TA fails ratification, to continue the status quo until (insert date here). Just long enough to do a little negotiating. In effect, reset the clock to a week before the original strike deadline.

Why not do this? Because the MEC wants to use the pressure of uncertainty to scare its own members into a yes vote. Shame on you MEC. I'm sure the company would jump at the chance to lock in a contingency plan. If the company says no to an LOA, then you still have your answer, immediate strike. At least you could make your decision without the specter of 'what if?'

WHAT IF your personal attorney, in his area of expertise answered you with "Gee, I don't know"?

The only certainty is that ALPA will do everything to protect itself....smaller pilot groups be damned.

amen brotha!!

I've been saying this for a long time. APLA SUCKS! They are one reason why I have no desire to go 121.

I am not against unions. I am against poor unions. ALPA has done nothing but get pushed around by airline management for the last 10-15 years. You guy's would be better of ditching ALPA and starting a new union! Onw with some balls!

This may be worth of it's own thread... but if the ALPA leadership is so hated, why aren't they replaced?

My opinion, but I view ALPA as being threatened that lower paying upstarts will be created to pawn flying off of its member carriers. And that's fewer dues that ALPA would collect...

If the non-ALPA represented carrier is at all successful, it only illustrates that there are alternatives to being ALPA represented. They don't want that; not at all.

It's a money pump, plain and simple.