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Old 09-18-2010 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dosbo
Thats because regionals don't own the flying and it can be sourced to the next lowest bidder. For a strike to be effective it has to be done when you own the flying, which is why all flying should be done at the mainline.

One certificate, one paint job, one pilot group.

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
I couldn't agree more!
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Old 09-18-2010 | 06:16 PM
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But hasn't it been the airlines motive to generally screw over the crews, who make their operation happen, to make more money and keep credibility. Your job might be great, but what about the other ones out there sleeping in crash pads and making a pittance? My question is more general I guess. Thank you for the input though.
Do you think that airlines are the only companies / industry to employ these tactics?
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Old 09-18-2010 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mmaviator
Exactly what dosbo said.....regional strike equals next walmart group to pick up 'your' flying.

speaking of sniffing glue....can I have your left overs since your a quitter.
Sorry I used the last of my glue and am looking for some more.

Originally Posted by Mason32
A little research into the RLA and contract law would answer your questions...

in short, your advice is an illegal action.
Sorry but it's never illegal to give two weeks notice and quit. Just think what would happen if all the pilots at an airline quit at the same time.

Unfortunately this would require the unity of a unit going into combat. If you can't rely on the person next to you, your F&^*%@d.
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Old 09-18-2010 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dosbo
Sorry but it's never illegal to give two weeks notice and quit. Just think what would happen if all the pilots at an airline quit at the same time.
That would be an amazing thing to see.
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Old 09-18-2010 | 07:17 PM
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That would be an amazing thing to see.
When you push people too far amazing things can happen.
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Old 09-18-2010 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Banshee365
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Hahaha...Gotta love Tosh.0
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Old 09-18-2010 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 20kDoLlOrPilot
Hahaha...Gotta love Tosh.0
Occassionaly I watch Tosh.0

His show is an example of why the human species is endangered.

CAUTION: THREAD DRIFT IN PROGRESS
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Old 09-18-2010 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dh05z28
Despite the brash title, this is NOT a flame bait thread. I swear. I was recently offered a job with Eagle when they picked up hiring again. In fact was hired by them twice. The first time I spent a year in the pool, praying everyday that they would call me and save me from my horrible existence of flight instruction. However, the DAY before I was offered a class date by Eagle, I was offered a corporate job getting twice as much money, turbine PIC and a much better quality of life. It felt pretty good to tell the recruiter that, after waiting over a month to hearing anything after my interview date.

Anyway, My question lies from an outsider stand point only, being that I've got zero 121 time. It is in no way being brought up to degrade or put down your wages or QOL. I am interested in your points of view to hopefully better this profession for all of us. So here goes. In a dream world it would be great to see every ALPA pilot tell their respective regional (or national ) airline to go !#%* themselves at start getting the pay and QOL you deserve.

What would be the down side of a full on ALPA strike? I highly doubt Obama is gonna pull a Reagan/PATCO situation. On the flip side, I know this economy isn't exactly the best time to be asking for more money, but when is.... Let the games begin.
They won't quite simply because things aren't that bad yet where pilots would be tempted to grab their pitch forks.

The regional side especially is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can be replaced not only by cheap labor but by other fellow ALPA pilots.

As it was mentioned, the real problem always lies with mainline. They have the power to fix the regional industry so that there wouldn't have to be so much cut throat competition but of course that's intended.
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Old 09-18-2010 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
They won't quite simply because things aren't that bad yet where pilots would be tempted to grab their pitch forks.

The regional side especially is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can be replaced not only by cheap labor but by other fellow ALPA pilots.

As it was mentioned, the real problem always lies with mainline. They have the power to fix the regional industry so that there wouldn't have to be so much cut throat competition but of course that's intended.
The problem lies with all of the pilots who are willing to sell our skills and services at substandard wages or QOL. At some point we must decide that a certain level of compensation is required for our experience and skills.

Where will it begin, or end?

One certificate, one paint job, one pilot group
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Old 09-18-2010 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dosbo
The problem lies with all of the pilots who are willing to sell our skills and services at substandard wages or QOL. At some point we must decide that a certain level of compensation is required for our experience and skills.

Where will it begin, or end?

One certificate, one paint job, one pilot group
There hasn't been a solution against bottom feeding the last 30 years and there isn't going to be anything now. And ironically, the bottom feeders of yesterday traditionally become the higher paying leaders of tomorrow because they've manged to drive the other guys out of money. Then after another bottom feeder eventually does the same thing to them, completing a vicious cycle. In order to fix the problem that you've defined, there would have to be a radical change like re-regulation along with a radical change in how pilots think. It ain't happening.
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