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Old 02-09-2011 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by justjack
the America West pilots miscalculated the USAirways pilots resolve. They felt that the pay disparity would push the USAirways pilots to accept the Nicolau Award. The USAirways pilots will never agree to the Nicolau Award. The longer that this civil war lasts, the more irreversible damage is done. USAirways continues to operate in this unsafe atmosphere at not only its own financial peril but with a clear and present danger to its passengers. This is a textbook case of what happens when a labor group is pushed too far.
So...what is the point here? The West pilots should just cave in to DOH so that an East pilot doesn't do something irrational and cause an accident?
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Old 02-09-2011 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GW258
A report/update from Cactiboss regarding USair east & USAPA is like a report from Racheal Maddow/Keith Olberman on the Tea Party.
You guys just can't seem to tell the truth, typical of union busting easties.
How about we take the Charlotte police departments word for it instead of a westie?

"The public police report of the January 25th "alleged" assault at USAPA’s Headquarters
has been released by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The report is
available for viewing by visiting the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department website at
home. Search the left column under "crime reports", then enter the complaint
number of “20110125115600”, and then the victim's last name of “Streble”. The incident
is classified/categorized as "Simple Assault.""
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Old 02-09-2011 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Or they could all be men, and stick to the arbitration they agreed to.
Amen.

Originally Posted by eaglefly
If so, what a band of idiots.
Amen.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
This meltdown is just a symptom of a group that abandoned any values other than self interest...eventually the value deficit shows through and this is what you end up with.
And Amen.
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Old 02-09-2011 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You guys just can't seem to tell the truth, typical of union busting easties.
How about we take the Charlotte police departments word for it instead of a westie?

"The public police report of the January 25th "alleged" assault at USAPA’s Headquarters
has been released by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The report is
available for viewing by visiting the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department website at
home. Search the left column under "crime reports", then enter the complaint
number of “20110125115600”, and then the victim's last name of “Streble”. The incident
is classified/categorized as "Simple Assault.""

How come the report doesn't show the name of the aggressor? Was it USAPA's VP?
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Old 02-09-2011 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL330drvr
How come the report doesn't show the name of the aggressor? Was it USAPA's VP?
Yep. I think is name Mowery.
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Old 02-09-2011 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Yep. I think is name Mowery.
I heard from a reliable source that Randy Mowrey has had issues with the law before and has also been in trouble for abusing his FFDO credentials, maybe not the right guy to lead USAPA.

I don't have a dog on this fight, but if I was a USAirways pilot, I would demand only the best people/leaders to take USAPA and the pilots they represent forward!

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Old 02-09-2011 | 07:07 PM
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You are not calling my bluff, sir. I intended no animosity towards EITHER pilot group, but rather compassion for BOTH. So calm down. Your reaction(S) are precisely what I was talking about. First of all- I was referring to both groups regarding the effects of stress- I can see how one would not know because I said USAirways pilots and with the situation over there I could mean the entire pilot group or the East side of operations. Having said this, USAirways has a great track record as far as safety if one looks at the empirical evidence alone.In regards to why it was posted here,(frankly I do not know about the voracity of this account. I will say it's not how I hear it but- what I heard was second hand) was that it is no wonder there is so much inappropriate behavior out of the cockpit with this level of stress at this company which I absolutely do believe will spill over into the work environment as well. While I realize that pilots should be professional, it is hard to know what will prove to be the proverbial straw. As far as not flying when one feels unsafe- I doubt that many pilots can really afford to take time off. I do stand by my opinion that it is not safe and that it is just a matter of time before something unsatisfactory happens.

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Old 02-10-2011 | 03:55 AM
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I, as many here, are not parties to it, but have read the award and do see windfalls that your group got. I can only imagine the wailing that would come from you were the roles reversed.

Finally...please get this through your head. YOU and the West pilots DID NOT buy East. Your company did. You, like the rest of us, are nothing more than a blue collar worker in a white shirt.

And those of us who have been around the barn for awhile remember how West got started and it's woes over the years. So please spare us the halo.

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Old 02-10-2011 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You guys just can't seem to tell the truth, typical of union busting easties.
How about we take the Charlotte police departments word for it instead of a westie?

"The public police report of the January 25th "alleged" assault at USAPA’s Headquarters
has been released by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The report is
available for viewing by visiting the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department website at
home. Search the left column under "crime reports", then enter the complaint
number of “20110125115600”, and then the victim's last name of “Streble”. The incident
is classified/categorized as "Simple Assault.""

cactiboss- If a senority number is so important to you that you will publicly slander another pilot, then why are you not offended by the windfall an old man gave your group?

I don't know how old you are but you better hope the U east folks prevail as far as the future and future list combinations goes.

[EDIT: delete flamebait]

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Old 02-10-2011 | 10:19 AM
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Moderator note:

If you want to discuss the USAPA, please do. What private parties do, completely unrelated to USAPA, have no bearing on that discussion. Please leave them out.

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